Part 927ks – 1734 Birth Registration of 5-Times Great-Grandmother Maria Sophia (née Satzger) Katz

Good Day,

Well, I am certainly glad that there are more than one set of eyes reviewing this work.

I was able to find the 1734 Birth Registration of 5-times Great--Grandmother Maria Sophia (née Satzger) Katz in the Durlach directory. And the example of penmanship is certainly a positive reason for us to continue teaching cursive writing in schools today.

Here’s an image of the pages. The Birth Registration is highlighted.

And now the 1734 Birth Registration.

Thank you, Gert, for helping me with the transcription and translation.

As you can see this one is extremely difficult.

An – 1734 – Year - 1734

d. 25. Maria Sophia
Philipp Hein[rich] Satzger, Dreher [=turner]
Maria Elisabetha

Gevatte[rn] [=godparents:]H. .. Lary [?], fürstl. Chirurgus [=princely surgeon]Frau Maria Dorothea ...gin [Satzgerin?]
Peter [?] Conrad [?] Schroeder [Schrader?], Pe[rücken]Macher [? (wigmaker)] cum
uxorem [=and his wife] Maria Sophia

Facts and Clues –

Fact –

1. 5-times Great-Grandmother Maria Sophia (née Satzger) Katz was christened on 25 November 1734 in Durlach, Bavaria.

2. Her parents are identified as 6-times Great-Grandfather Philipp Heinrich Satzger and 6-times Great-Grandmother Maria Elisabetha.

3. 6-times Great-Grandmother Maria Elisabetha’s surname does not appear to have been included in the Registration.

4. 6-times Great-Grandfather Philipp Heinrich Stazger’s occupation can be read as a “turner”. See Part 925ks at https://agenealogyhunt.blogspot.com/2018/11/part-925ks-1762-marriage-of-5-times.html

Clue –

5. The assumption is that 6-times Great-Grandparents Philipp Heinrich and Maria Elisabetha Satzger may have had other children.

Fact –

6. I was able to find 5 more Birth Registrations for 5 more children of 6-times Great-Grandparents Philipp Heinrich and Maria Elisabetha Satzger.

7. 6-times Great-Grandmother Maria Elisabetha’s name was included on the additional 5 Birth Registrations in various forms. These included Maria Anna and Anna Elisabetha. 6-times Great-Grandfather Philipp Heinrich’s name appears to be consistent on all the 5 other Birth Registrations.

8. 6-times Great-Grandmother Maria Anna Elisabetha’s surname was included on the other Birth Registration. It was either Hager or Hagerin.

Fact/Clue –

9. It appears that, unless there are other children born before 5-times Great-Grandmother Maria Sophia (née Stager) Katz, before 1734, she may have been the eldest child.

10. It may be possible that 6-times Great-Grandparents Philipp Heinrich and Maria Anna Elisabetha (née Hager) Satzger may have been married sometime in the early 1730s.

Here is the updated Brunhammer Katz Descendant Chart.

The search continues.  And I just keep on going.

If you have any comment, question, thought, idea please feel free to contact me via email at A Genealogy Hunt or jsmith58@gmail.com.

Regards,

Jim

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Part 926s – New Autosomal DNA Results – CRI Genetics

Good Day,

Well my results are in. That is, the results of my Autosomal DNA testing from CRI Genetics.

The breakdown provided by CRI Genetics fit into 5 main area categories. I've added the "Unassigned" area category to make sure that there is a sum total of 100%. These are

• European
• South Asian
• AdMixed American
• East Asian
• African
• Unassigned (to add up to 100%)

• 86.2%
• 6.5%
• 4.5%
• 1.7%
• 0.9%
• 0.2%

I have now had my Autosomal DNA testing done by the following companies. (These are not in any specific order.)

1. Family Tree DNA

2. Ancestry

3. 23andMe

4. Living DNA

5. My Heritage

6. National Geographic Geno 2.0

7. CRI Genetics

I have attempted to breakdown the results and tried to lump similar area categories together. As you can see from the Comparative Chart there are some similarities in test results, based on the way each company focuses with their testing procedures. But there are also some differences.

The International Society of Genetic Genealogy provides a very good company to company comparison for 4 of the organizations that provide Autosomal testing. The two (2) that are not included are Living DNA and CRI Genetics.

And as I have always said, genealogy is not necessarily only taking the details of one Autosomal DNA test. It is the search and research into the sources of documentation and family history that can lead one back into the resources of their ancestors.

Autosomal DNA testing is a tool that can assist. It is NOT the definite answer as to who you are descended from.

If you have any question about testing either your Y-DNA, mtDNA, or Autosomal DNA, please make sure that you research and decide which type of testing is the one that you should get. Do not be swayed by the slick advertisements.

If you have any comment, question, thought, idea please feel free to contact me via email at A Genealogy Hunt or jsmith58@gmail.com.

Regards,

Jim

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Part 925ks – 1762 Marriage of 5-Times Great-Grandparents Johann Friedrich and Maria Sophia (née Satzger) Katz

Good Day,

You know when a genealogist hoots and hollers when s/he believes s/he has found a possible critical document that fits right into a family tree.

And yes, that is what happened last night.

Even though a Family History film is denoted as completely indexed, one should not, not search through the digitized images to hunt for a document. Case in point this 1762 Katz/Satzger Marriage registration.

Here’s is what I found.

And here is a cleaned-up copy whereas the 1762 Marriage Registration was easier to read, transcribe and translate.

Source Reference: Family History Library, Film, FHL #1238217, Items 6-9; Image 938 of 1169.

And here are the

Transcription –

1762 – Durlach condicio

Jun

"d. 15. Johann Friedrich Katz, neuangehender Bürger und Seiler alhier,
weil. Johann Katzen, gewesenen Bürgers und Färbers allhier,
hinterbliebener ehel. erzeugter lediger Sohn; und Maria Sophia,
weil. Philipp Heinrich Satzgers, gewesenen Bürgers und Drehers
allhier, hinterlaßene ehel. ledige Tochter."

Translation –

1762 Durlach marriage

Jun

On the 15th [were married] Johann Friedrich Katz, prospective local citizen and roper, surviving legitimate unmarried son of the late Johann Katz, former local citizen and dyer; and Maria Sophia, surviving legitimate unmarried daughter of the late Philipp Heinrich Satzger, former local citizen and turner.

Facts and Clues –

Fact –

1. GGGGG-Grandparents Johann Friedrich and Maria Sophia (née Satzger) Katz were married on 15 June 1762 in Durlach, Bavaria.

Fact –

2. GGGGG-Grandfather Johann Friedrich Katz’s status and occupation is listed as “local citizen and roper”. This the is same information as discovered on previous documents.

Facts/Clues –

3. 5-times Great--Grandfather Johann Friedrich’s father is listed as 6-times Great-Grandfather Johann Katz.

4. 5-times Great-Grandmother Maria Sophia’s father is listed as 6-time Great-Grandfather Philipp Heinrich Satzger.

5. Both 6-times Great-Grandfathers Johann Katz and Philipp Heinrich Satzger are entered of having passed away before the date of 15 June 1762.

Fact –

6. 5-times Great-Grandfather Johann Friedrich Katz was born on 24 Mar 1763, 9 months and 1 week after his parents, 6-times Great Grandfather Johann and Maria Sophia (née Satzger) Katz were married.

Here is an updated Brunhammer Katz Descendant Chart.

The search continues.  And I just keep on going.

If you have any comment, question, thought, idea please feel free to contact me via email at A Genealogy Hunt or jsmith58@gmail.com.

Regards,

Jim

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Part 924bk - 1763 Birth and Baptism of GGGG-Grandfather Johann Friedrich Katz

Good Day,

Just some quick notes – “GGGG” and “GGGGG” are abbreviations of “4-times Great” and “5-times Great”. These Greats are being used with reference to Andy. You may have to add another 1 Great or 2 Greats to determine your relationship.

Well it looks like the sources and the documentation are just waiting to be found. All-things-being-equal it appears that we have been able to locate the Baptism and Birth Registration of GGGG-Grandfather Johann Friedrich Katz.

Here is the copy of the 26 March 1763 Baptism Registration. The source of the document is from the Evangelische Kirche Durlach (A. Durlach) Family History Library FHL 1238229.

The facts and the clues.

Fact –

GGGG-Grandfather Johann Friedrich Katz was born 24 March 1763 and baptized on the 26th in Durlach.

Fact -

His parents are listed as Johann Friedrich Katze and Sophie Satzgerin.

Fact/Clue –

Johann Friedrich Katze and Sophie Satzgerin are Andy’s 5-times Great-Grandparents.

Fact –

In Bavarian dialect surnames of women sometimes are formed by adding the ending "-in", used in standard High German to indicate noun variants for women or items of grammatical feminine gender. Therefore GGGGG-Grandmother Sophie’s surname could be read as Satzgerin or Satzger.

Fact –

Durlach was a town in what was considered Bavaria.

Fact –

4-times Great-Grandfather Johann Friedrich was named after his father, 5-times Great-Grandfather Johann Friedrich.

Fact/Clue –

In the right column there appears to have been added the date of GGGG-Grandfather Johann Friedrich Katz’s passing on 26 January 1819, at the age of 55 years.

Fact/Clue –

5-times Great-Grandfather Johann Friedrich’s status and occupation is entered as “local citizen and roper”

Here is a combination of the transcription and the translation –

March 26, 1763

Child: Johann Friedrich geb. d. 24. ej. - born on the 24th of the same (month)

[right column:] Surname: Katze, + d. 26. Jan. 1816 - died on Jan. 26, 1819

Parents: Johann Friedrich Katze, Bürger und Seiler allhier [=local citizen and roper], Sophie, geb. Satzgerin [=née Satzger]

Godparents:

H. Johann Jacob Kuhn, Post-Schreiber allhier, und Cathrine Auguste, uxor;
Johann Sebastian Kreißinger [?], Bürger und Pflugwirth allhier, et uxor, Franziska –
Mr. Johann Jacob Kuhn, local clerk/secretary of the post, and his wife Cathrine Auguste; Johann Sebastian Freißinger [?], might be a spelling variant of Freisinger/Freysinger], local citizen and innkeeper of the Pflug [The Plow Inn], and his wife Franziska

Thanks to Gert who assisted with the transcribing and the translation of the entry. I’m still struggling along with the recognizing of the script and the language.

Gert noted that there is a very strong coincidence and that there is a current restaurant with the name of "Judy's Pflug" in Karlsruhe-Durlach, see: https://judys-pflug.de/ . This may have been the same as to the which seems to be the former "Pflug", The Plow Inn as noted in the listing of the Godparents.

I've added GGGGG-Grandparents Johann Friedrich and Sophie (née Satzger) Katz to the Brunhammer Katz Descendant Tree.

And the search continues.

Have you considered how far back in time we could go? And what we can learn.

If you have any comment, question, thought, idea please feel free to contact me via email at A Genealogy Hunt or jsmith58@gmail.com.

Regards,

Jim

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Part 923 - Autosomal DNA is NOT Necessarily Genealogy

Good Day,

I read a very good and concise article recently, posted at NJ.com dated November 2, 2018 by David Klein - "One genealogist's impressions of Ancestry DNA's testing service".

"First, based on what I know about my family, the ethnicity percentages are way off. Please notice I didn't say they were wrong; they might not be. I know that these figures are based on probability and subject to change, but my numbers are skewed more Irish (and British even though I don't know of any British ancestors) and less Italian than what I expected. Suffice it to say I'm more than a bit skeptical about these numbers."

I am a very strong proponent of DNA testing, for the purposes of genealogy. And I can say that I personally am not using DNA testing to find immediate relatives. I am more concerned in learning and discovering about my ancestry.

The corporate tendencies of the larger ancestry, albeit companies and their marketing schemes appear to be a consistent tendency to increase the firm's bottom line.

That being said, and as I volunteer to assist persons to delve into their pasts, I have tested my Y-DNA, mtDNA, and Autosomal DNA. My purpose, is to maintain a comparison of, especially Autosomal DNA results, and to keep abreast of the the plethora of companies in the market. Having tested with this many companies also assists me when helping someone with their family history search and research.

To date I have tested with Family Tree DNA; Ancestry; 23andMe; Living DNA; My Heritage; and National Geographic Geno 2.0. I am currently awaiting the results of CRIGenetics.

Here is a comparative schedule of my test results.

If you have any question about testing either your Y-DNA, mtDNA, or Autosomal DNA, please make sure that you research and decide which type of testing is the one that you should get. Do not be swayed by the slick advertisements.

If you have any comment, question, thought, idea please feel free to contact me via email at A Genealogy Hunt or jsmith58@gmail.com.

Regards,

Jim

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Part 922bk – 1792 Marriage of GGGG-Grandparents Johann Friedrich KATZ and Eva Catharine KLEIBER

Good Day,

And the search continues. We are tracing back in time to see what we can find about the Brunhammer - Katz Family line.

As I mentioned and discovered in Part 921bk, GGG-Grandfather Ludwig, aka Louis, Adam Friedrick Katz's parents were (Fact/Clue #6) GGGG-Grandparents Frederick and Catharine (née Kleiber) Katz.

I have found the 1792 Marriage Registration of GGGG-Grandparents Frederick and Catherine (née Kleiber) Katz in the registers of the town of Durlach.

I was expecting more information on the Katz side of the family. The Registration does not provide GGGG-Grandfather Johann Friedrich Katz's parents. It does include GGGG-Grandmother Eva Catharine Kleiber's parents, GGGGG-Grandparents Johann Adam and Christine (née Scharmann) Kleiber's names. And that is 5-times Great!

Transcription -

Im Jahr Christi 1791 (1792) wurde in der hiesigen Stadtpfarreÿ Durlach getraut und eingesegnet

1792 d. 20ten Maÿ Johann Friedrich Katz Bürger und Sailermeister Eva Catharine Kleiberin, Johann Adam Kleiber
hiesigen Bürgers und Fuhrmanns mit Christine
g. Scharmannin ehel(ich) erzeugte ledige Tochter

Translation -

In the year of Christ 1791 (1792) has been married and consecrated in the local town parish Durlach

1792 the 20th May Johann Friedrich Katz citizen and master ropemaker Eva Catharine Kleiber, Johann Adam Kleiber's
local citizen's and carter's with Christine
née Scharmann legitimate unmarried daughter

Here the new facts and clues.

Fact -

1. The date of the Marriage of GGGG-Grandparents Johann Friedrich and Eva Catharine (née Kleiber) Katz was 20 May 1792.

Fact -

2. The location of the Marriage was in "the local town parish of Durlach".

Fact/Clue -

3. GGGG-Grandfather Johann Friedrich Katz is listed as a "citizen and master ropemaker"

Fact/Clue -

4. GGGG-Grandmother Eva Catharine (née Kleiber) Katz's parents are listed as Johann Adam Kleiber and Christine (née Scharmann)

Fact/Clue -

5. As GGGG-Grandfather Johann Friedrich Katz's parents are not listed, there is a remote possibility that this could be his 2nd marriage.

And here is the new draft of the Brunhammer - Katz Descendant Tree.

The new items are added in red. Please remember that, based on what we can find, there always may be some changes.

The genealogy research and search for ancestors and descendants continue.

And once again, thanks to Lynn, John, and Helmut.

Family connections can be seen on the family tree, the Brunhammer Doherty Family Tree. If you would like access to the tree you will need an invitation from me. You can sign up with Ancestry, and from what I understand, without having to take a membership subscription. Feel free to contact me at jsmith58@gmail.com if you would like to receive an invite to the Brunhammer Doherty Family Tree.

If you have any comment, question, thought, idea please feel free to contact me via email at A Genealogy Hunt or jsmith58@gmail.com.

Regards,

Jim

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Part 921bk – 1805 Baptism of GGG-Grandfather Ludwig (Louis) Adam Friedrich KATZ

Good Day,

I am now venturing into unknown and untapped areas of my genealogy research. Thank you to Lynn, John, Helmut, and Gert.

As I mentioned in my previous post, Part 920bk, there are several clues and notes that are obvious from the 1847 Death Registration of GGG-Grandfather Louis Katz.

Fact -

1. GGG-Grandfather Louis Katz was 41 years old when he passed away in 1847.

Clue -

2. Possible year of birth calculated at 1806.

Fact -

3. The death registration states that he was born in Durlach, Bavaria.

Fact -

4. Durlach, Baden, Germany is about a 38-hour walk, according to Google maps, north-north east from Soultz, Alsace, France.

Fact/Clue -

5. His surviving wife was listed as GGG-Grandmother Françoise (née Schaffhauser) Katz.

Fact/Clue -

6. His parents are/were GGGG-Frederick and Catherine (née Kleiber) Katz.

Searching online via Family Search I found the indexed information of the Birth Registration in Durlach, Baden, Germany dated “3 February 1805” for one “Ludwig Adam Friedrich Kaz”. His parents are listed as “Freidrich Kaz” and “Cathrina Kleinberin”

“Ludwig” I know is the German for the French “Louis”.

The indexed information is listed from the record collection “ Deutschland Gerbuten und Taufen, 1558-1898”, FHL #102550723 Image 13 of 784.

I found the record -

This is the information about GGG-Grandfather Louis Katz, who was your GG-Grandmother Marie (née Katz) Brunhammer's father. His name was Ludwig Adam Friedrich Katz. His parents, are 4-times Great-Grandparents Frederic and Catharine (née Kleiber) Katz. GGG-Grandfather Louis Katz was born in Durlach, Karlsruhe, Germany. He was baptized in 1805.

Here is a work of transcription and translation as offered by a connection through the the Transcribe Group.

Transcription -

Im Jahr Christi 1805 sind in hiesiger

den 3. Febr(uar) früh 7. geb(oren) den 6. getauft

Ludwig Adam Friedrich

Vat(er): Friedrich ... Katz Bürg(er) & Seiler Mutter: Catharina g(eborene) Kleiber

Taufz(eugen):

1. Wilh(elm) Sazger, Bürg(er) & Drehermeister &
2. dessen ux(or): Fried[erike] g. Steinmez
3. Ludwig Katz, Bgr (= Bürger) & Glaser, Vat.(ers) Bruder &
4. dessen Ehefr(au): Christiane g. Ziegler
5. Adam Kleiber, Bgr. &
6. dessen Ehefr: Christine g. Knobloch
7. Carl Zachmann (or Zechmann ?), Bgr. & Bekermstr (= Bäckermeister)
8. Jgfr. (= Jungfrau) Magdalena Schneiderin

Translation -

In the year of Christ 1805 (have been baptized in the local parish)born the 3rd February at 7 in the morning baptized the 6th

Ludwig Adam Friedrich

father: Friedrich ... Katz citizen & ropemaker

mother: Catharina née Kleiber

baptismal witnesses:

1. Wilh(elm) Sazger, citizen & master turner &
2. his wife: Fried[erike] née Steinmez
3. Ludwig Katz, citizen & glazier, father' brother &
4. his wife: Christiane née Ziegler
5. Adam Kleiber, citizen &
6. his wife: Christine née Knobloch
7. Carl Zachmann (or Zechmann ?), citizen & master baker
8. maiden Magdalena Schneider

New Fact - Ludwig Katz, one of the witnesses was GGGG-Grandfather Friederich Katz's brother.

The updated Katz Descendant Chart. All new facts are added in red.

The genealogy research and search for ancestors and descendants continue.

Family connections can be seen on the family tree, the Brunhammer Doherty Family Tree. If you would like access to the tree you will need an invitation from me. You can sign up with Ancestry, and from what I understand, without having to take a membership subscription. Feel free to contact me at jsmith58@gmail.com if you would like to receive an invite to the Brunhammer Doherty Family Tree.

If you have any comment, question, thought, idea please feel free to contact me via email at A Genealogy Hunt or jsmith58@gmail.com.

Regards,

Jim

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