Part 956ss - Am I Related to Sir Walter Scott?

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Yesterday I spent my research time, hoping that I may “stumble” across a connection and to source, what some people have in their online family trees, to Sir Walter Scott.

Not sure whether I did.

Sir Walter Scott was born in the Edinburgh area in 1771. He became a lawyer and a famous writer.

GGG-Granduncle Cumberland Reid Scott, GGG-Grandfather Alexander Reid Scott’s younger brother was born in 1805. He was born in the Edinburgh area.

GGG-Granduncle Cumberland was noted as a writer. In the 1830s an Act was passed in Jamaica appointing him as a lawyer.

GGG-Granduncle Cumberland had 2 wives: Isabella Ferme in Edinburgh and Elizabeth Dunn in Jamaica. At this point I have not determined whether Isabella passed away or whether she was separated from Cumberland.

One of his 2 sons with Isabella, George survived infancy. The 3 children he had with Elizabeth all died in infancy.

I was able to follow George and his marriage to Jane Graham. Together they had 6 children, all 2nd cousins. Two passed away in infancy. The other 4 all reached adulthood; all of them passed away being single. I am not sure whether the 4 had any children.

This is the first time that I am really at a loss. I was hoping that I may be able to “find” a distant cousin of GGG-Granduncle Cumberland who may have had some information about a possible connection to Sir Walter Scott.

As GGG-Granduncle Cumberland Reid Scott is the 13th child of GGGG-Great-Grandparents James and Anne (née Reid) Scott, guess I’ll have to follow another Scott line.

The search continues.  And I just keep on going.

Also, let me know if you would like an invitation to access to my Smith Robertson Family Tree on Ancestry. You can email me at jsmith58@gmail.com.

If you have any comment, question, thought, idea please feel free to contact me via email at A Genealogy Hunt or jsmith58@gmail.com.

Regards,

Jim

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Part 955sd – 1662 Marriage Registration – 8-Times Great-Grandparents James and Elspeth (née Dumbar) Scott

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Today, as I follow my Scott Family line back in time, I have found the 1662 Marriage Registration for 8-times Great-Grandparents James and Elspeth (née Dumbar) Scott. They were married 24 September 1662, Julian calendar, in Colinton, Midlothian.

And now that I have move back in time, I realize that documentation may be halted due to the earliest dates of recording the Parish Records. According to The Phillimore Atlas & Index of Parish Registers by Cecil R. Humphery-Smith, 3rd Edition, 2003, here are some beginning dates as to when certain Parishes in Lothian and S.E. Lowlands, specific to my research may have started.

From The National Records of Scotland –

Regarding dates and the Julian versus Gregorian calendars -

“Change to the Gregorian Calendar in 1752. Scotland, along with England, Ireland and Wales, formally adopted the Gregorian calendar in 1752. This required a correction of 11 days and Parliament decided that Wednesday 2 September should be followed by Thursday 14 September with no intervening days numbered 3 to 13”

“There are two significant and separate developments that 
was the adoption of 1 January as the first day of the year affect dates in the Old Parish Registers (OPRs). The first instead of 25 March. The second was the calendar reform which began in 1582 when some European countries replaced the old-style Julian calendar with the new style Gregorian calendar. The latter was based on a more accurate calculation of the length of the year and required an adjustment of 10 days to align the calendar year with the solar year.” 

Stephen P. Morse has a Julian to Gregorian conversion application. 

Parish and Original Year Registers Deposited

Canongate - 1564

Dolinton or Hailes - 1654

Duddingston - 1631

Edinburgh - 1595

Haddington - 1619

Inveresk - 1606

South Leith - 1588

St. Cuthberts - 1573

Please note that the actual copy of the page in the Register is torn. We’re guessing at the Transcription, especially for those words affected.

24 Agust 1662 & 1663


This Day James Scot and Elspeth Dumbar
both in this parish gave up ther bands matrim[oniel]
To be proclaimed for the first tyme. Consigned of [penalty?]
Two Rix Dollars Married 27 September.

Sources: ScotlandsPeople_OPR677_000_0030_0008Z; Family History Library FHL 007908831 Image 806 of 1008.

According to 8-times Great-Grandparents' the 1662 Marriage Registration was registered in Colinton Parish, Midlothian on the 27th September 1662, Julian Calendar.

I am not, even though I spent a good portion of my employment career as a banker, a student of pecuniary history. And of course, I had to look up information regarding the "Rix Dollars".

From Wikipedia and James Wood (1909), The Nuttall encyclopaedia. Frederick Warne, London, New York.

"Rixdollar is the English term for silver coinage used throughout the European continent."

Sounds like the Rix pattern of European coinage may have foretold of the current Euro.

And here is an updated Scott Family, in 2 images, showing the descendants from my 8-times Great-Grandparents James and Elspeth (née Dumbar) Scott through to my Great-Grandparents William James and Ella Margaret Louise (née Scott) Smith.

The search continues.  And I just keep on going.

Also, let me know if you would like an invitation to access to my Smith Robertson Family Tree on Ancestry. You can email me at jsmith58@gmail.com.

If you have any comment, question, thought, idea please feel free to contact me via email at A Genealogy Hunt or jsmith58@gmail.com.

Regards,

Jim

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Part 954cs – 1675 Baptism Registration 7-Times Great-Grandmother Margret Crawford – Possibly?

Good Day,

Today I am presenting the 1675 Baptism Registration of Margret Crawford, daughter to John Crawford and Margret Scott. This Baptism Registration is extremely legible and provides succinct and detailed information. The Registration was created in the Parish of South Leith.

There is only one problem. At this juncture, I cannot guarantee with 100% certainly that this is 7-times Great-Grandmother Margret (née Crawford) Scott. I do not have any documentation that I can directly make the connection. The documents that I now have indicate a person or persons with the name of Margret/Margaret Crawford.

During the period of 1700 to 1709, 7-times Great-Grandparents David and Margret (née Crawford) Scott had, which I have accounted for, at least 6 children, including 6-times Great-Grandfather Patrick Scott. From what I can discern, at least 5 of the children where registered in the Parish of Duddingston.

All-things-being-equal, from the present Parish Church of South Leith to a central location in Duddingston it is just less than 3 miles away. The distance is about an hour walk.

I haven’t been able to find a documented source regarding 7-times Great-Grandparents David and Margret (née Crawford) Scott’s Marriage Registration. 5 of the 6 Baptism Registrations that I have found for their children do include the phrase “his spouse” immediately after Great-Grandmother Margret Crawford’s name, with reference to 7-times Great-Grandfather David Scott.

At this point in time, I can venture to say that it is a reasonable conclusion that this 1675 Baptism Registration may be that of 7-times Great-Grandmother Margret (née Crawford) Scott. And when more documentation is found, I will work with it at that time.

And, of course, it is extremely interesting and worth noting that the Margret Crawford’s mother listed in the Baptism Registration is that of one Margret Scott.

I certainly would appreciate your thoughts.

Source: ScotlandsPeople_OPR692_020_0030_0201Z

Transcription –

December

John Crawford & Margret Scott had a Daughter
Born the 12 of December & baptized the 16 
Of December 1675 Nt Margret Wit: John
Davidson Walter Thomson & William Hill

The search continues.  And I just keep on going.

Also, let me know if you would like an invitation to access to my Smith Robertson Family Tree on Ancestry. You can email me at jsmith58@gmail.com.

If you have any comment, question, thought, idea please feel free to contact me via email at A Genealogy Hunt or jsmith58@gmail.com.

Regards,

Jim

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Part 953ss - 1674 Baptism Registration 7-Times Great-Grandfather David Scott

Good Day,

The Scott search continues.

To date I have gathered somewhere in the vicinity of 200 documents, give or take. And yes, the script at most times is relatively easy to transcribe. At other times...

I have chanced upon the 9 July 1674, (Julian calendar), Baptism Registration for 7-times Great-Grandfather David Scott.

Source: FHL 7908826; Image 931 of  978

The Baptism Registration also introduces 8-times Great-Grandparents James Scott and Elspeth Dunbar.  David Scott was, of the documentation that I have discovered to this point, the 8th of their 9 children.

Transcription -

9 July 1674

James Scott merchant Elspeth Dunbar ASN David 
Witness John Dunbar Gloover James Dunbar Me-
ssinger John Scott in Baiglie and William Lawson me-
chant.

And now the research becomes a bit more cryptic as I move back in time.

From this Baptism Registration I am immediately attracted to three items of note.

First, all the surnames included in the Registration are all surnames that are specific to my collection of ancestors: Scott, Dunbar and Lawson.

Second, I believe I need to research the "John Scott of Baiglie". From a quick attempt, I have learned that there is a Baiglie in Perth. In Walter Scott's book "The Fair Maid of Perth or St. Valentine's Day", originally published 15 May 1828 there are a few references to the "Wicks of Baiglie". Coincidence?

And the third item is the occupation of "John Dunbar" as "Gloover". This is an occupation of interest, as in a previous discussion we thought that the word may be "Gloober".  In the above example the "v" in the word "Gloover" is written exactly the same as the "v" in the name "David".  According to ScotlandsPeople glossary a "Glover" is one who makes gloves. Any thoughts?

The search continues.  And I just keep on going.

Also, let me know if you would like an invitation to access to my Smith Robertson Family Tree on Ancestry. You can email me at jsmith58@gmail.com.

If you have any comment, question, thought, idea please feel free to contact me via email at A Genealogy Hunt or jsmith58@gmail.com.

Regards,

Jim

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Part 952sm - 1846 Marriage Certificate GGG-Grandfather Alexander Scott and Eliza Miller

Good Day,

Stop the press...albeit Google Blogger, the mail arrived. A brown envelope with a much searched-after document.

And as I always say and write, "the next document can always present something different, as well as a tittle bit more of information that you were not aware".

Transcription -

Certified Copy of An Entry of Marriage
Given At The General Register Office
Application Number: 10073942-1

1846 Marriage solemnized in the Parish of Liston in the County of Essex

No. - 4

When Married - 30th June

Name and Surname - Alexander Reid Scott; Eliza Miller

Age - Of full age; Minor

Condition - Bachelor; Spinster

Rank or Profession - Esquire

Residence at the Time of Marriage - London; Liston Hall

Father's Name and Surname - James Scott

Rank or Profession of Father - Merchant

Married in the Parish Church according to the Rites and Ceremonies of the Established Church by me, J.L.Worship

This Marriage was solemnized between us - Alexander Reid Scott; Eliza Miller

in the Presence of us, - J.W. Cater, John Hayer; Annette Caroline Worship, Ann Rogers

And you can do the calculations.

Here is a referenced Descendant Chart. James Scott was my 4-time Great-Grandfather.

The search continues.  And I just keep on going.

Also, let me know if you would like an invitation to access to my Smith Robertson Family Tree on Ancestry. You can email me at jsmith58@gmail.com.

If you have any comment, question, thought, idea please feel free to contact me via email at A Genealogy Hunt or jsmith58@gmail.com.

Regards,

Jim

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Part 951ss - Scott Internment Tombstone

Good Day,

In the research of my Scott Family line in Midlothian, Scotland, I chanced upon the following Internment Tombstone. This tombstone appears to be mounted on one of the walls of the Duddingston Kirk in Edinburgh, Scotland.

The same image is resident on a number of a number of Family Trees in Ancestry.

Transcription -

Interred Here

Peter Scott

Farmer in Easter Duddingston,

who died Sept. 12. 1764 aged 61 and

Euphame Horn his Spouse

who died 26 Feby. 1763 aged 62 and

four of their Children who died who died young

Also Andrew Scott Farmer

at Northfield their Son

who died Oct. 1803 aged 76, and

Isabella Dickson his Spouse

who died July 1813 aged 82

and three of their Children, viz.

Isabella Scott Spouse of

James Brown Esq. of Milton

who died 22 April 1774 aged 18

Peter Scott

who died 18 Jany. 1777 aged 19 and

Robert Scott

who died Feby. 1782 aged 20 besides

five who died in childhood

Also

David Scott

Farmer Northfield

who died 18 July 1860 Aged 94 and

Margaret Graham his spouse

who died 26 August 1882 aged 74

Also

David Francis Scott

Son of the above

who died 6 August 1888 aged 36

Also

Frances Jackson

wife of the above David Scott

who died at Meadowfield 6 Dec 1898

aged 83.

I had to look up the "viz." at the end of the 13th line. I found a possible meaning that could help with understanding the addition of the abbreviation. A meaning for "viz." is "that is to say" and "to be specific".

As I usually understand something a wee bit better when I can visualize the thought, I have attempted to create a Descendant Chart. This Chart includes all possible named and unnamed persons included on the Tombstone.

The search continues.  And I just keep on going.

Also, let me know if you would like an invitation to access to my Smith Robertson Family Tree on Ancestry. You can email me at jsmith58@gmail.com.

If you have any comment, question, thought, idea please feel free to contact me via email at A Genealogy Hunt or jsmith58@gmail.com.

Regards,

Jim

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Part 950sh – 1701 Baptism Registration – GGGGGG-Grandmother Eupham (née Horn) Scott

Good Day,

I have discovered the 1701 Baptism Registration for 6-times Great-Grandmother Eupham (née Horn) Scott in the “Old parochial registers for Duddingston. 1631-1854”.

Transcription –

Thursday 1703 May 27th Munday 17 November 1701

Andrew Horn in Magdalen Pans and
Eupham Sheells his spous had an infant bap-
tized A daughter Named Eupham Witnesses
Allexander & Patrick Sheills indwellers in Easter
Dudingstown and Robert Brown ______ in Dudingstown.

Source: Family History Library, FHL 1066683, Image 349 of 920

If someone can figure out the word at the end of the Registration before "in Dudingstown", please let me know.

Note: Thank-you AS. The registration date for the Baptism Registration is referenced from the Julian calendar, as opposed to the Gregorian calendar we use today.

I stumbled upon the following from the "Annals of Duddingston and Portobello" by William Baird, F.S.A. Scot, Edinburgh, Andrew Elliot, 17 Princes Street. 1898.

This information, as published, allows me to see and read that there may be some interactions between the Scott and Horn families of the time.

As follows -

“Other elders after this time are Mr Archibald Duncan, a son of the former Baron Bailie; James Williamson, sometime treasurer of the church; Andrew Horn (smith, and coal grieve to the Duchesses of Lauderdale and Argyle for fifty-four years), residing at Magdaline Pans, appointed treasurer in 1711; John Robertson, and Joseph Grier, clerk of kirk session. The predecessor of Joseph Grier was one John Golme, who, however, seems to have got into trouble, as he is incidentally mentioned in a minute of 11th January 1711 as being then in prison.

We have referred to the erection of pews in the church in 1676. These were occupied by the principal families of the parish, at a small rent, or ** seat mail," paid to the Treasurer yearly. From a memorandum left by that officer we give the names of those so occupying the seats in the year 1714, and for which a yearly sum of 15s was paid by each: — Archibald Duncan, son of William Duncan, and Baron Bailie; John Bobertson, farmer; James Williamson, Archibald Cook, David Scott, farmer; William Horn, Andrew Symington, John Cook, farmer, Crookston; John Black, John Craig, and John Johnston, Wm. Patton and John Lindsay, Bobert Duncan, Andrew Horn, farmer, Fillysidebank; Bobert Balderston, and finally the ''salters' seat," for which £2 was paid…

…with the parish, some of whose representatives are still to be found in the neighbourhood…

…James Dunoan, John Horn in Mibis, and Mrs Horn in Easter Duddingston; Peter Scott, Northfield, and his son Andrew ; Bidiard Sinclair, Alexander Livingston, Andrew Porteous, Mrs Johnston and William Srown, Bichard Bobertson, Mrs Horn and Andrew Horn, and Bobert Johnston. These paid 7s per annum, or £4 18s in all. '* The seat opposite the pulpit (the memorandum goes on to say) and next to Bobert Johnston pays 68 6d. The seat next the Whipman's seat in the east end of the kirk pays lOs 6d. The middlemost seat in the east end of the kirk pays 9s 6d. The seat next the door in the east end pays 10s."…”

6-times Great-Grandmother Eupham (née Horn) Scott is included in a Descendant Chart in Part 949ss.

My next posting will deal with a search for the Marriage Registration, if any of 6-times Great-Grandparents Patrick and Eupham (née Horn) Scott.

The search continues.  And I just keep on going.

Also, let me know if you would like an invitation to access to my Smith Robertson Family Tree on Ancestry. You can email me at jsmith58@gmail.com.

If you have any comment, question, thought, idea please feel free to contact me via email at A Genealogy Hunt or jsmith58@gmail.com.

Regards,

Jim

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