Part 583r – Smith Robertson Genealogy – Possible Locations – GGG-Grandparents Thomas and Agnes (née Miller) Robertson – Barony, Scotland

Good Day,

In the search for my ancestry and genealogy I attempt to pinpoint, as close to possible, key locations where my ancestors may have lived… for all, or at least for some part of their lives. And this is the case and effort this morning regarding ggg-grandfather Thomas Robertson.

All-things-being-equal, I know that ggg-grandfather Thomas was born and baptized in 1780 in Oldhamstocks, in Haddingtonshire, now East Lothian, Scotland. (See Part 580r.) At some point he traveled the 90 or so miles, 144 kilometers to Glasgow.

In August of 1804, in Glasgow, he married ggg-grandmother Agnes Miller. (See Part 581r.) And it was ggg-grandmother Agnes who was from Glasgow. This is according to their Marriage Registration, where it states “Agnes Miller, Residenter there.”

Well I just remembered, based on the documentation and information that I have gathered at this point in time, ggg-grandfather Thomas’ youngest brother, ggg-granduncle Robert Robertson was born 7 September 1792 in Glasgow. The brother who I have on record, ggg-granduncle William Robertson was the last to be born in Oldhamstocks 5 August 1786. This of course, translates logically, that the Robertson family, my gggg-grandparents John and Christian (née Dudgeon) traveled from Oldhamstocks to Glasgow, with their five sons sometime between 1786 and 1792. GGG-Grandfather Thomas would have been somewhere between 6 and 12 years old.

Exactly how the Robertsons traveled from Oldhamstocks to Glasgow is beyond me… but accordingly in 1840, 50 years later

“The dominant mode of transport was foot or horse and cart along makeshift roads, or by canal or riverway in wooden barges and ships. The railway system was still in its infancy – there was no rail link between Edinburgh and Glasgow until 1842.” (A History of the Scottish People, W.W Knox, Chapter 10.)

Some road-trip, gggg-grandparents John and Christian and five young sons, (that I have accounted for), between the possible ages 12 years and newborn? (Can you imagine the “Are we there yets?” and how could parents have survived with no SUV with individualized video babysitter/distractors?)

So now I’ve got Oldhamstocks to Glasgow; ggg-grandfather Thomas’ birthplace and the city in where he got married. According to the 1841 Scotland Census, (see Part 582r), in Barony, in the County of Lanark ggg-grandparents Thomas and Agness are living at Drygate Toll. Today, according to what I have read, Barony does not longer exist; it was absorbed by Glasgow. (City planning, of course…)

The above inserted Google map shows the aerial overview of Drygate in Glasgow; the approximate location is at the A marker on the inserted map. The B marker is at East Campbell Street where the Reverend William Watson may have married ggg-grandparents Thomas and Agnes (née Miller) Robertson in 1804. The C marker is at The Barony Hall which today may be, from what I have read, the last and major indication of the name of the Parish of Barony. The walking distance from A; Drygate Toll area to C; East Campbell Street is approximately 10 minutes.

And here is another discerning fact. Check out the name of the street just south of the A marker – Drygate. It is Duke Street. According to my discovery and documented records ggg-grandfather Thomas lived on Duke Street when he passed away on 27 March 1861.

Definitely thanks to Stephen, in Scotland for our discussions and correspondence. Also thank you Steve, in Wales for sending me the references to the Grenada Government Gazette.

Stay-tuned for more.

And I keep searching… and searching.

Enjoy,

Jim

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Part 582r – Smith Robertson Genealogy – 1841 Census – GGG-Grandparents Thomas and Agness (née Miller) Robertson – Barony, Scotland

Good Day,

And from the Florida depths and dreary day of a maybe so, maybe not tropical cyclone, we’re experiencing a depression down from somewhere in the hinterlands of the Canadian North. This means winter is coming. The Old Farmer’s Almanac is predicting that the chilly weather will begin on October and that winter temperatures will be below normal in the south. Full moon is slated for this Tuesday and Wednesday, 11th and 12th.

In my genealogy search and research I was able to obtain the 1841 Scotland Census pages showing the enumeration of ggg-grandparents Thomas and Agness (née Miller) Robertson.

I discovered the information first on Ancestry.co.uk, followed through to a search on Findmypast.co.uk, and then obtained the image via ScotlandsPeople.gov.uk.

My transcription –

Parish of Barony

5 & 6

1. Place – Here insert Name of Village, Street, Square, Close, Court, &e. – do (Drygate Toll);
Houses – Inhabited – 1

2. NAME and SURNAME, SEX and AGE, of each Person who abode in each House on the Night of 6th June. – NAME and SURNAME – Thomas Roberton; Agness Robertson; AGE – Male – 60; Female – 60

3. OCCUPATION – Of what Profession, Trade, Employment, or whether of Independent Means. – Cotton H L W

4. WHERE BORN – If Born in Scotland, state whether in County or otherwise. – No; Y
Whether Foreigner, or whether Born in England or Ireland. –

Note that the respective Ages of 60 of both ggg-grandfather Thomas and ggg-grandmother Agness are dependent upon a range. Instructions for completing the 1841 Scotland Census, specific to Age, was that “For persons of 15 years age and upwards…” the Age is entered as a number which is a multiple of 5. In other words, for the Age range of 60 to 65 the number “60” was to be entered. This means that my ggg-grandparents Thomas and Agness may have actually been 60, 61, 62, 63, 64, or 65. (See Part 580r regarding ggg-grandfather Thomas’ birth and baptism dates.)

An explanation of ggg-grandfather Thomas' occupation - Cotton H L W: Cotton Hand Loom Weaver.

The search continues…

Enjoy,

Jim

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My Tangent – 1841 Census Search – GGG-Grandparents Thomas and Agnes Robertson in Barony, Scotland – And I Had To Get This Off My Chest!

Good Day,

In my search and research of my ancestry and genealogy I always attempt to gather as much as I can get and find out about each individual. I am not in a numbers’ game in order to fill the slots in my genealogy database. No one yet has told or taught me that there is some prize for the most number of genealogy data records.

I try to understand what made me who I am today; what piece of each ancestor is a key to the wherefores and whys of my talents and idiosyncrasies. A Genealogy Hunt is an example of my means of one way that I attempt to recreate my ancestors’ lives through my journaling and writing. Thank you Debra, and Mr. Patterson at Stanstead College.

Following from their 1804 Marriage in Glasgow, I believe I have discovered my maternal ggg-grandparents Thomas and Agnes (née Miller) Robertson’s place in the 1841 Scotland Census.

The 1841 Scotland Census was taken on the night of 6 June 1841. Based on my calculations ggg-grandfather Thomas, who was born 29 June 1780, should have been 60 years, 11 months, and 7 days old on the night of the Census.

Entering into a Census search, on Ancestry.co.uk, the exact name “Thomas Robertson”, the exact birth year “1780”, and the keyword “Scotland” and restricting the Ancestry search engine to a Collection Priority – “UK and Irish”, I get only three returns. The returned records are two of the 1861 Scotland Census and one for the US Federal Mortality Schedules Index. All three are incorrect.

I then edit my search parameters and uncheck the “Birth – Exact Only” box. 945 possible records are now a result of my search. That’s more like it… but that is still 945 records to peruse. It takes about 10 seconds to review each record without actually opening the record. That is, I can pull up a small window, thanks to Ancestry, on each record which will give me the indexed data as entered by Ancestry.com from the actual Census. Based on the speed of my own PC system it then takes an additional 10 seconds to open a good and viewable image of the actual Census page.

20 seconds does not appear to be much time, but when there are 945 Census records for a Thomas Robertson born about 1780 in Scotland, I calculate that it will take approximately 5 hours and 15 minutes to review each record. But of course, that is, if ggg-grandfather Thomas’ entry is the 945th one.

Okay I want to narrow my search field to the category of the 1841 Scotland Census. The review time is now down to about 9 minutes. The first 12 records are a no-go. On the 13th I notice that the Birthplace is Scotland without a mention of a County or Shire. When I move my cursor and click on the link to “View Record”, I am informed that there are two Household Members: “Thomas Robertson, Age 60” and “Agness Robertson, Age 60”.

The Civil Parish provided is “Barony”; the County – “Lanarkshire”; and the Address – “Drygate Lole”. But here is the problem there is no current relationship between Ancestry.uk.co and the General Register Office in Scotland. Hence there is no image, provided by Ancestry of the actual 1841 Census page.

I then go to Findmypast.co.uk and do a search for ggg-grandfather Thomas Robertson. I locate similar information and once again there is no image. There is a notation that “The original census images are available to view on the ScotslandPeople website.” Oh, and by the way the address presented by Findmypast is “Drygate Toll, Barony”.

Next on to ScotlandsPeople.gov.uk. I have annual subscriptions to Ancestry and Findmypast, but ScotslandPeople requires purchases of a set number of one-year-limited credits to view each Index and each Image. My preference would be to subscribe with an annual membership.

To look up an Index entry and an image on ScotlandsPeople does cost a minimum of approximately $2.25USD; £1.40GBP; €1.6EUR. This does mean that one is limited to the type of search one can do, especially if one does not have all the search details and criteria beforehand. Financially, it also does limit an overall surname search, especially if one’s surnames are Robertson or Smith, and one’s pockets are not that deep.

On a quick calculation, and if I did not have some of the search elements available, and not including my membership dues at both Ancestry and Findmypast, ScotlandsPeople has 36 Thomas Robertsons listed in Barony, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland on the 1841 Scotland Census. To review all would cost approximately $81.00USD; £50.40GBP; or €57.60EUR… Can anyone tell me the equivalent electronic phrase for “Highway Robbery”? “Internet Mugging”?

There is an alternate method of searching the 1841 Scotland Census for Barony. The Family History Library in Salt Lake City does have 204 microfilm reels referencing the Scotland Censuses. Seven would be specific to my search of the page which specifically contains the enumeration of ggg-grandfather Thomas Robertson. Based on the costs for deliveries to my local Family History Center, at $5.50 for a 90-days borrowing period, my outlay would be $38.50USD.

This is obviously about half of the cost for a single name search of ggg-grandfather Thomas in Barony as levied by ScotlandsPeople.gov.uk, exclusive of my pro-rated costs for Ancestry.co.uk and Findmypast.co.uk. And further at least I would have a term of 90-days to do a Robertson search specific to other and possible members and siblings of my ggg-grandfather Thomas Robertson.

I am aghast… but I am obsessed.

And just a quick note. Check out the extensions of Ancestry, Findmypast, and ScotlandsPeople. Which one has a blatant "gov.uk", albeit governmental entity or agency, extension?

My next Post will be the 1841 Scotland Census information regarding ggg-grandfather Thomas Robertson.

Enjoy,

Jim

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