Part 474 - Smith Robertson Genealogy - YDNA and mtDNA Updates

Morning,

As I have mentioned and written before we are collecting the results of YDNA and mtDNA testing. The testing, conducted through Family Tree DNA, provides us with another vehicle and possibility in the search of our genealogy and ancestry. If anyone is interested please feel free to get in touch with me for further details.

All-things-being-equal, we now have the possible tests results that would assist in determining the mtDNA of Aunt Cécile Esme (née Smith) Olton and her mother, Grandmother Jeanne Lucie Ernestine (née Abraham) Smith, then Mann. All of their mothers and grandmothers in this maternal line should have the same mtDNA results. The predicted and possible Haplogroup is J1b1. Thank you Z.

The first series of YDNA test results are now in for our Robertson line which include Uncles John, Stuart, Jimmy, and Malcolm and their father, grandfather Frederick Henry Robertson. Theoretically, and based on the scientific know-how, this will include all our Robertson grandfathers and sons. Loci 1-37 and 48-67 are back. We’re still waiting the pending lab results for Loci 38-47. The predicted Haplogroup is R1b1a2. Thanks G.

My Smith confirmed Haplogroup is R1b1a2a*. Per the readings and model I understand that this includes all males descended from ggg-grandfather James Smith. This includes every son, that I am currently aware, of the Smiths, Lloydsmiths, Lloyd-Smiths, Malins-Smiths, and Landreth-Smiths. Check out the Haplogroup results of both the Smiths and the Robertsons. Also I have been recently accepted for the new “Walk Through The Y” test. Stay tune for the details and early results.

My maternal Haplogroup, the mtDNA results, is H1a1. This result applies to all Robertson sisters and the daughters and sons. It all applies to our maternal line – Robertson, Goodey, Crossley, Parker, and Kendal.

The Family Finder test results are due in April. Together with the YDNA and the mtDNA tests, the Family Finder Test is supposed to help find family across all lines. Who knows? Stay-tuned.

Enjoy,

Jim

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Part 462s – Smith Robertson Genealogy – Possible mtDNA J1b1 Subclade – Abraham, Castex, Charbonnier, Chevalier, Clergeau, Clopath, Emery, July, Merle, Olton, Rénier, Smith, Titus, Vogt…

Good Afternoon,

ZC just received news from Administration of the J-mtDNA Group at Family Tree DNA.

The classification of Haplogroup J could, based on the results, be restated as J1b1.

“I see that they have classified you as Haplogroup J, but based on a quick review of your HVR1/HVR2 results, I believe you should more properly be classified as J1b1 and thus I have moved you into that subgroup within the project.”

What does this mean to our genealogy and search?

From Wikipedia - “A Haplogroup is a group of similar haplotypes that share a common ancestor with a single nucleotide polymorphism (SNP) mutation.”

The Subclade, J1b1 is “a term used to describe a subgroup of a subgenus or haplogroup.” (Wikipedia)

Here is an updated DNA Pedigree Chart, which does now include the tracing of the possible J1b1 mtDNA lineage.

See my Posts Part 456s, Part 450s, Part 449s, Part 448s, and Part 447s for my preceding discussion of our paternal grandmothers’ mtDNA.

To date our documented paper trail is to gg-grandmother Catherine Cora (née Merle) July who was born in France in 1836 and passed away in French Guiana in 1886. I do know the ggg-grandmother Jeanette Etienette (née Castex) Merle is also a part of this mtDNA lineage but I am yet to discover an physical evidence of her vital records.

The Cambridge Reference Sequence (CRS) differences for the HVR1 and HVR2 tests are, respectively: 16069T, 16126C, 16145A, 16172C, 16222T, 16261T, 16519C, and 73G, 242T, 263G, 295T, 315.1C, 462T, 489C. The inserted extract of the J1b1 subclade is from a paper by Mannis van Oven and Manfred Kayser.

To date the related surnames that I can include that may also be recipients (albeit owners) of this mtDNA classification include: Abraham, Castex, Charbonnier, Chevalier, Clergeau, Clopath, Emery, July, Merle, Olton, Rénier, Smith, Titus, Vogt. Please let me know if I have forgotten a surname which may also belong.

The following paragraph was found as an ancestry description of the J1b1 subclade.

J1b1: The mitochondrial haplogroup J contains several sub-lineages. The original haplogroup J originated in the Near East approximately 50,000 years ago. Within Europe, sub-lineages of haplogroup J have distinct and interesting distributions. Haplogroup J1b is found distributed in the Near East and southern Iberia, and may have been part of the original colonization wave of Neolithic settlers moving around the Mediterranean 6000 years ago or perhaps a lineage of Phoenician traders. Within haplogroup J1b, a derivative lineage haplogroup J1b1 has been found in Britain and another sub-lineage detected in Italy. Further research will better establish the relationship of these two geographically distant, yet evolutionarily related, haplogroups. Bryan Sykes in his Seven Daughters of Eve book named this mtDNA haplogroup Jasmine.

(See Charles Kerchner’s MtDNA Haplogroup Descriptions & Information Links).

That's it for now.

Enjoy,

Jim

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Part 459 – Smith Robertson Genealogy – Am I Bored? – Updates Today

Good Day,

And I still continue my Indenture Transcription Project in the research for the origins and ancestry of my ggg-grandfather James Smith. At times this process can become somewhat tedious if not “boring”, especially if there is no apparent glimmer of hint or clue. For this reason, and to feed my insatiable appetite for genealogy research I have some other concurrent family search projects ongoing.

• I’ve made headway with respects to a possible further location of Verdelais in the Department of Gironde in France following up on the ancestry of my gg-grandmother Catherine Cora (née Merle) July.
• I have found some possible connections and documentations to my family line of Castex in the 10-Year Tables with respect to my ggg-grandmother Jeanette Etienette (née Castex) Merle.
• The first YDNA results for my Robertson line have returned. And lo and behold there is an exact Robertson match in the preliminary results for the first set of 12 markers.
• Microfilms have arrived referencing my search for my Merrifield Line.
• Work continues in my transcription and translation project of the possible July Family documentations especially those from Sarlat in the Department of Dordogne in France.
• I have initiated a Family Tree DNA Family Finder study to complement the current Smith YDNA and Robertson et al mtDNA studies and results.
• I am investigating the mtDNA results referencing the Olton Smith et al lines.
• Of course, I continue with the Grenada Registers of Records Transcription Project in the search for the origins of my ggg-grandfather James Smith.
• And…

And when I do become really bored, there is… Oh and by the by, I am seeing a drastic increase in visitors to A Genealogy Hunt. The average number of visitors has increased up by 100% to at least 40 Visits per day. Not bad for a very small niche blog that doesn’t offering anything but my journal and muses of my thoughts and research.

Enjoy,

Jim

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Part 450s – Smith Robertson Genealogy – Our mtDNA Results Lean To J1b

Afternoon,

Based on ZC’s present results, and the immediate differences results from the Cambridge Reference Sequence, (see Parts 448s and 449s), it may be possible to infer that the sequence may be classified as J1b. J1b is a subclade of the Haplogroup J.

I have highlighted the HVR1 results in the inserted 2004 Schematic Tree for European mtDNA Variation. This representation is from the thesis by Piia Serk, from the University of Tartu, in Estonia.

In my research of my genealogy and ancestry I am constantly “drilling-down” to locate more and more information. As discussed, my father’s maternal line mtDNA resulted in a J Haplogoup classification. This means that my father, Frederick Kenneth Lloyd Smith received his mtDNA from his mother, grandmother Jeanne Lucie Ernestine (née Abraham) Smith (and Mann). She received hers from her mother, my great-grandmother Catherine Marie Antoinette (née July) Abraham who in turn received hers from her mother, my great-great-grandmother Catherine Cora (née Merle) July.

My search and research, at presents stops at my great-great-great-grandmother Jeannette Etienette (née Castex) Merle. I have not found any information on my Castex line as I have not delved into those records as yet. All-things-being-equal those records and documents could begin in the vicinity of Bordeaux, in Gironde, France.

A geographic line of the passage of these J-mtDNA results would be from Bordeaux, France to Sénégal in West Africa, to Georgetown in British Guiana (now Guyana), to St. George, in Grenada. Other lines of transfer from Bordeaux to Sénégal, to Cayenne in French Guiana, to Paris and Brittany, France as well as from British Guiana to San Diego, in California, USA.

To date, the individuals in our Family Tree with the surnames who may be recipients of this J-mtDNA include: Abraham, Castex, Charbonnier, Chevalier, Clergeau, Clopath, Emery, July, Merle, Olton, Rénier, Smith, Titus, and Vogt.

Quite a bit to assimilate at one given time… but I’m getting there.

Enjoy,

Jim

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Part 449s – Smith Robertson Genealogy – Grandmothers Abraham (J) and Goodey (H1a1) mtDNA Results

Morning,

It is amazing what information and data is available today online. At times I wonder if the "grey matter" between my ears will either explode or simply turn into mush... but I am enthralled at times at the amount, whether good or bad, is readily available and accessible. In my further research of my ancestors and the search for my genealogy I am continually trying to understand as much and everything that I possibly can.

With the good news, that my father's maternal mtDNA is classified as J, and whereas my own maternal mtDNA is documented as H1a1, I have determined to find out as much as I can about mtDNA. (Please be assured that I DO NOT account for all that I discover online and on the Internet as gospel truth.) The above-inserted image if a model of human migration based on Mitochondrial DNA from Familypedia.

Here is a question. How does the attributes of one’s grandmothers’ mtDNA influence a person’s makeup and being? My grandmothers were Jeanne Lucie Ernestine (née Abraham) Smith and Mann, J-mtDNA, and Madge (née Goodey) Robertson, H1a1-mtDNA.

Accordingly mitochondrial DNA or mtDNA spans 16,569 DNA building blocks. This represents just a fraction of the total DNA in cells. The mtDNA testing done Family Tree DNA, that is the three, HVR1, HVR2, and CR Reference Sequence tests, tests all 16569 Positions against the Cambridge Reference Sequence (CRS). The results of the each test are the recorded differences against the CRS. The CRS is NOT a record of the earliest human mtDNA. It appears to be the sequence conducted in the 1970s “of the mitochondrial genome of one individual of European descent” which is used as the comparative base point. (See Wikipedia – Cambridge Reference Sequence).

The immediate differences results from the Cambridge Reference Sequence are as follows:

For the Smith, Abraham, July, Merle, Castex line – J-mtDNA Haplogroup

HVR1 – 16069T; 16126C; 16145A; 16172C; 16222T; 16261T; and 16519C

HVR2 – 73G; 242T; 263G; 295T; 315.1C; 462T; and 489C

For the Smith, Robertson, Goodey, Crossley, Parker, Kendal line – H1a1-mtDNA Haplogroup

HVR1 – 16162G; 16209C; and 16519C

HVR2 – 73G; 263G; and 315.1C

CR – 750G; 1438G; 3010A; 4639C; 4769G; 6365C; 8860G; 10993A; and 15326G

This information and data can be somewhat prodigious to learn and absorb. The following YouTube clip from the National Geographic Genographic Project helps me to understand a wee bit of my J-mtDNA ancestry.



Regards, and enjoy the Super Bowl,

Jim

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Part 448s – Smith Genealogy – J-mtDNA Results Again - Castex, Merle, Clergeau, Rénier, Chevalier, Clopath, Charbonnier

Morning,

In the pursuit of our genealogy, the J-mtDNA results, following up on Part 447s , are critical in determining a possible match which could lead to the discovery of a most common ancestor. Of the FamilyTree DNA accessible and open records, ZC’s mt-DNA results matched 13 High Resolution (HVR1 + HVR2) sets.

To date we have received four responses. All-things-being-equal there could be an ancestor-in-common in any one of these four matches but the documentary and paper trails currently do not provide the clues. Still nine more returned replies are in the works… hopefully.

The following are ZC’s J-Haplogroup differences relative to the Cambridge Reference Sequence (CRS). These are the differences that are used to match to possible corresponding others. A match means a possible connection. Per FamilyTree DNA, "A match on HVR1 and HVR2 has a 50% chance of a common ancestor within twenty-eight generations. That is about 700 years."

The immediate differences results from the Cambridge Reference Sequence are as follows:

HVR1 – 16069T; 16126C; 16145A; 16172C; 16222T; 16261T; and 16519C


HVR2 – 73G; 242T; 263G; 295T; 315.1C; 462T; and 489C

Based on the current results, and our documentation and paper trail we are able to get back on our grandmother Jeanne Lucie Ernestine (née Abraham) Smith/Mann’s maternal line to her great-grandmother, our great-great-great-grandmother Jeannette Etienette (née Castex) Merle. That is about back to, give-or-take a couple of years, 1810. That’s Two Centuries… of paper trails. There’s still quite a bit of searching left to be done…

But in the mean-time we can add some additional family members to this pool of J-mtDNA results. Yann and his siblings are also direct descendants of great-great-grandmother Catherine Cora (née Merle) July. Their great-grandmother Marie Eugéne Berthe (née July) Clergeau and Rénier was a younger sister to my great-grandmother Catherine Marie Antoinette (née July) Abraham.

Based on the mtDNA theory and application daughters and their children should also carry the J-mtDNA. This will add surnames, from the connected families – Castex, Merle, Clergeau, Rénier, Chevalier, Clopath, and Charbonnier.

The list of surnames included in this J-mtDNA grouping now includes - Abraham, Castex, Charbonnier, Chevalier, Clergeau, Clopath, Emery, July, Merle, Olton, Rénier, Smith, Titus, and Vogt.

A lot of food for thought,

Enjoy,

Jim

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Part 447s – Smith Genealogy – mtDNA Results – Olton, Smith, Abraham, July, Merle, Castex

Greetings,

Great news this morning, and thank you Miss Z.

Today we have another piece of our family puzzle in place. Grandmother Jeanne Lucie Ernestine (née Abraham) Smith (and Mann) identifies as Jasmine, one of the seven daughters of Eve. (See The Seven Daughters of Eve, 2001, by Bryan Sykes.)

In the search for the answers to our genealogy and ancestral origins, we have received notice that our Smith, Abraham, July, Merle, and Castex lines is of the J Haplogroup. This is the preliminary result of the mtDNA testing from Family Tree DNA.

From Eupedia.com, Haplogroup J originated in the Middle East 45,000 years (ago), making it one of the oldest mitochondrial haplogroups in Europe and the Middle East. During the Neolithic Era, that is, 8,000 to 10,000 years or so ago, this J Haplogroup, which appears to have been previously derived and lived in the Near East or Caucasus, may have been associated with the spread of farming and herding in Europe. (See Wikipedia.)

This news means that Zoë, Toni, David, Paul, Leigh, Julie, Andrew, Sophia, Rachel, Jeffrey, and Cailey all share the same mtDNA. My father Frederick Kenneth Lloyd Smith, my aunt Cécile Esme (née Smith) Olton, and their brother, my uncle, Desmond Lloyd Smith shared the same mtDNA as their mother, grandmother Jeanne Lucie Ernestine (née Abraham) Smith (and Mann). It is their maternal mitochondrial DNA.

Beginning with Grandmother Jeanne, I have constructed a quick ancestry of my grandmothers who all should have had the same mtDNA.

• Jeanne Lucie Ernestine (née Abraham) Smith/Mann – My grandmother – Born circa 1890, Georgetown, British Guiana; Died – circa 1967, Georgetown, British Guiana
• Catherine Marie Antoinette (née July) Abraham – My great-grandmother – Born 2 Jan, Île de Gorée, Sénégal; Died – 25 Jan 1940, San Diego, California, USA
• Catherine Cora (née Merle) July – My great-great-grandmother – Born 2 Nov 1836, Bordeaux, Gironde, France; Died – 13 Sep 1886, Cayenne, French Guiana
• Jeanette Etienette/Elinore (née Castex) Merle – My great-great-great-grandmother – Born – unknown, France; Died – unknown

Stay-tuned for more details and results as I receive them.

Enjoy,

Jim

Image of Jasmine from Disney's Aladdin (1992)

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My Tangent – Can Genealogy Be Somewhat Overwhelming?

Good afternoon from Tampa,

Last night I was asked the question, “Can genealogy be somewhat overwhelming?” And without missing a beat, I responded, “Yes.” But the secret is to keep organized… which of course does apply to any aspect and/or interest of one’s life.

And today I thought I would just jot down a quick list of those things and current projects that I am working on and pursuing in my genealogy.

1.  Search Engine Optimization – Per Wikipedia, “Search engine optimization (SEO) is the process of improving the visibility of a website or a web page in search engines via the “natural” or un-paid (“organic” or “algorithmic”) search results.” In the evolution of SEO one such is the Top Listed Network. It had disappeared for a period of time and I have been trying to find out where it went or had my link been broken. Well, praise be, it returned yesterday, and I am once again a ranked site. You can link on to the Top Listed – Genealogy button on the left-hand column on any of A Genealogy Hunt’s pages.

In the meantime I have been attempting to set up a new SEO with Technorati. Technorati, according to Wikipedia, “is an Internet search engine for search blogs.” And I really have to get it through my thick skull that I have to read every step and instruction given. This isn't a model airplane.

2.  FHL Microfilms – I have near-completed my MS Access database of Family History Library microfilms and microfiche. To date, including the five new microfilms referencing my Merrifield search I ordered last night, I have entered 213. The database can be cross-referenced by various combinations including Surname, Country, Title, and Date(s). Now all I have to do is to find all the FHL pink-slip receipts hidden throughout this house.

3.  Sarlat, in Dordogne – July and Varigeau(d) Families – In my pursuit of my the research of my July and Vaurigeau family lines I discovered some more birth and burial registrations . I cannot guarantee that these 12 newly located Sarlat registrations are pertinent to my family genealogy but it is a find. The years involved are 1643 through 1670. I did discover that there are some periods of times missing in the copies of the recorded registers.

4.  In the area of DNA, both YDNA and mtDNA, I am awaiting the new FamilyTree DNA results to the Robertson (YDNA) and Smith (mtDNA) lines. Thanks to G and Z, it will be intriguing to see what marker-matches, (if any), surface.

5.  On Saturday, February 12th at the Largo Public Library, the Pinellas Genealogy Society is hosting a Seminar featuring Megan Smolenyak Smolenyak. One of her presentations is entitled “Trace Your Roots with DNA” which is also the title of one of the books she has authored.

6.  Smith Indenture Transcription Project – My new transcription work is an 1819 Indenture featuring Richard Oliver Smith, his deceased father William Smith, his two sisters Mary (née Smith) Lewis and Grace Smith, his mother Sarah Dean(e), and his purported-to-be wives Mary Broderip and Harriet, as well as other incidentally included persons. This next Document is a long one and has many pages. The Richard Oliver Descendant Chart provides a quick overview of who’s who.

7.  My subscription copy of the February/March issue of Internet Genealogy magazine arrived. I do like this magazine and the collection and diverse topics of the introductory use and effect of technology and the Internet to Genealogy. There is a good and preliminary article, "iPad and Your Genealogy Research!" by Tony Bandy. And speaking of iPads, I panicked last night and early this morning as I had mistakenly left my iPad at a location where I had been doing some research. In my concern and panic, I drove to find my errant iPad at the wee hour of 3:00 am. It was still there… and do you realize that there is NO traffic on the roads at that ungodly time of the day.

And I’m still keeping up with my 2011 Genealogy Resolutions… not yet overwhelmed.

Enjoy,

Jim

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My Tangent - Happy 4th Day of Christmas - Two Genealogy Resolutions Completed

Good Afternoon and Happy 4th Day of Christmas.

Four Calling Birds, Three French Hens, Two Turtle Doves, and a Partridge in a Pear Tree. That’s $1,011.96 for Day 4 of Christmas gifts. Certainly an expenditure to help the economic turn-around. The true lover must have certainly appreciated his or her true love... but nothing to my pocket.

I have been working very slowly on my genealogy research over these past couple of days. But I did accomplish two of my Genealogy Resolutions: Number 2 – To populate a database of microfilms and microfiche that I have reviewed; and Number 3 – To find an iPad Application which will provide an extract of the data in Number 2. And hurrah, two completed before January 1, 2011. (You can check out my other resolutions at My Tangent – And Today I Ponder – Genealogy Resolutions.)

The database is built in MS Access. To date I have entered 251 microfilms and microfiche rentals that I have used in the progress of research. This is only a portion of my records. The surnames of research included in the database are: Abraham, Brunhammer, Crossley, Gavalas, Goodey, July, McCullogh, McKowen, Olton, Parker, Prestwidge, Redhead, Robertson, Roy, Scott, and Smith. This list does not include the variations and multiple spellings that I have encountered of the surnames.

The countries included in the database: Grenada, Scotland, France, Barbados, Jamaica, England, French Guiana, Sénégal, Bahamas, Greece, Wales, St. Vincent, Canada, and the United States. Provinces in Canada include: Nova Scotia, and Quebec. The States of the USA are: Massachusetts, New York, and New Jersey. Please note that these are locations specific to my genealogy work with the FHL microfilms and microfiche only.

Number 3 – Done. I am now able to remotely connect my iPad directly to my PC and desktop. Using the application iTeleport I can actually pull up MS Access, and all other software as are resident on my PC, and I am able to see, review, and use any software, database, or document. This is a great tool that further allows me the freedom of not having to lug around reams of paper and binders or ensure that I have a compatible application working on my iPad.

I am having a hell of a time trying to commit myself to the latest and greatest document in my sequence from the Grenada Registers of Records. This individual Record has six pages and I have completed transcribing two. The writing is extremely small and it does take time. I have to just hunker down and forge forward with my commitment to myself and just get to work transcribing.

Work continues on my 12 other Genealogy Resolutions. Onward and upward.

Enjoy,
Jim

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My Tangent – Crossed Systems, The Cloud, and Updated July Descendant Charts

Good morning,

As I mentioned time and time again, this Blog is a catch-all of the notes of my work and research in the search of my genealogy and ancestors. I have been also asked as to whether it is a lot of work maintaining A Genealogy Hunt. The simple answer… Yes.

But there is a self-serving benefit to me; I am able to contain the majority of my work in one place, on the Blog. I can also access this Blog from any operating computer system with almost any operating system. I do work with Microsoft Windows, Linux Ubuntu, and Apple systems. It is convenient… and I am constantly looking for ways to cross-over from system-to-system-to-system.

My obsession is the research and I am working to try to ensure that I have my data and information readily available at any given moment. I might be saving the trees and I certainly am saving wear and tear on my back, not having to lug around multiple and cumbersome binders and reams of paper. Thanks be for the Information Revolution. This also includes immediate, well almost immediate access to online databases, subscriptions and memberships. And now there is… The Cloud, aka the Internet. From Wikipedia – “The fundamental concept of cloud computing is that the computing is ‘in the cloud’ i.e. that the processing (and the related data) is not specified, known or the same place(s).” I thought that I was doing that… I think, sort of.

In the meantime, I found that my July Descendant Chart was becoming too, too crowded to fit in one image. I have therefore split the Descendancy into two visuals/images. July Descendant Chart I begins with gggggg-grandfather Pierre Jullie (aka July) and follows through to his great-grandson, my great-great-grandfather Jean François July. July Descendant Chart II starts at gg-grandfather Jean François July and then continues to my father, his great-great-great grandson Frederick Kenneth Lloyd Smith. (I hope I got the greats and the great-greats right.)

Here are the two new Charts. I will also be adding them to the top pull-down menu under the label “Smith”.

Enjoy… I certainly am.

Jim

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Bonjour,

Comme je l'ai mentionné, à maintes reprises, ce blog est un fourre-tout des notes de mon travail et mes recherches dans la recherche de ma généalogie et les ancêtres. J'ai également été posée de savoir si il est beaucoup de travail en maintenant «A Genealogy Hunt». La réponse est simple ... Oui. Mais il ya un avantage égoïste pour moi, je suis en mesure de contenir, la majorité de mon travail en un seul endroit, sur le blog. Je peux aussi accéder à ce blog, de tout système d'exploitation informatique, avec presque n'importe quel système d'exploitation. Je travaille avec Microsoft Windows, Linux Ubuntu, et des systèmes d'Apple. Il est commode ... et je suis constamment à la recherche des moyens de passer de système à système à système.

Mon obsession est la recherche, et je travaille pour essayer de faire en sorte que j'ai mes données et d'informations facilement accessibles, à un moment donné. J'ai peut-être de sauver les arbres, et je suis certainement réduit l'usure sur mon dos. Je ne ne pas avoir à effectuer de nombreux liants autour, et lourd, et des rames de papier. Merci pour être la révolution de l'information. Cela comprend aussi immédiate, ainsi accès quasi immédiat aux bases de données en ligne, les abonnements et les adhésions. Et maintenant, il est ... The Cloud, alias l'Internet. Un article de Wikipédia - «Le concept fondamental de cloud computing, c'est que l'informatique est «dans le nuage» à savoir que le traitement (et les données connexes) n'est pas spécifié, connus ou au même endroit (s)». Je pensais que je faisais que tout le long ... Je pense que, en quelque sorte.

En attendant, j'ai trouvé que mon Graphique Descendant de ma famille de July, devenait trop, trop de monde, pour tenir dans une seule image. J'ai donc diviser la descendance en deux visuels / images. «July Descendant Chart I» commence avec arrière-arrière-arrière-arrière-arrière-arrière-grand-père, Pierre Jullié (aka July), et suit par le biais de son arrière petit-fils, mon arrière- arrière-grand-père, Jean François July. «July Descendant Chart II» commence à mon arrière- arrière- grand-père, Jean François July, et continue ensuite à mon père, son arrière-arrière-arrière- petit-fils, Frederick Kenneth Lloyd Smith. (J'espère que je suis les plus grands, et les arrière- arrières correcte.)

Voici les deux nouvelles cartes. Je serai également en les ajoutant à la partie supérieure du menu déroulant, sous le label «Smith».

Profitez de cette ... je vais certainement.

Jim

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Part 362s – Smith Robertson Genealogy – Indenture Research – 1812 Elizabeth Smith and Francis Olton – Sale of Property

Morning,

Today I shift gears in my search for the genealogy and origins of ggg-grandfather James Smith. My transcription work now moves back in time to the year 1812. This next Indenture was entered to the Grenada Registers of Records 21 August 1812 and it appears to be a contract of a sale of a property between Elizabeth Smith and Francis Olton.

(The inserted image is of a circa 1910 postcard of Hospital Hill, St. George, Grenada.)

There is no indication of any direct or indirect relationship to ggg-grandfather James shy of the location, the Town of Saint George and the surname Smith. The earliest document that I have encountered referencing ggg-grandfather James is the 1814 Baptism Registration of his daughter, gg-grandaunt Eley Smith. Her recorded birth date, per the Registration is 17 March 1812. (I presented this work in Part 87s almost a year ago.) There may be a connection between ggg-grandfather James and Elizabeth Smith but there is no immediate or obvious proof.

The image is downloaded from Item 2 of the microfilm [1563379].

My transcription. As always I have tried to transcribe the Document line by line by better cross-referencing. At times the word-wrapping is somewhat askew. I don’t think the Writer or Scribe in 1812 was thinking of our 2010 online capabilities and/or limitations.

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Grenada

Entered August 21, 1812

Exd
Know all Men by these presents That I Elizabeth Smith free
Woman of Colour of the Island of Grenada for and in Consideration of the Sum of One hundred and ninety eight Pounds
Current Money to me in hand well and truly paid by Francis Olton of the Island aforesaid at or before the Sealing
and delivery of these presents the receipt of which said Sum I do hereby acknowledge have granted Bargained Aliened
Released Conveyed and Confirmed and by these presents Do grant Bargain Alien release Convey and Confirm unto the said
Francis Olton his Heirs and A∫signs a Certain Wooden Dwelling house admeasuring twenty two feet in length and thirteen
feet in breadth Erected on a Lot of Land the Right and Title of the said Francis Olton situate or being in that part of the
Town of St. George called Upper Montserratt abutted and bounded as follows on the East by Lands of Robert Ford on the West
by Lands of the said Francis Olton on the South by Lucas Street and on the North by Hospital Hill and howsoever
otherwise bounded and all Priviledges advantages profits and Hereditaments to the said Dwelling house belonging
or in anywise accepted reputed taken or Known as part or member thereof and the Reversion and Reversions
Remainder and Remainders rents receipts I∫sues and Profits thereof To Have and To Hold unto the said Francis Olton
his Heirs and A∫signs to the only proper use and behoof of the said Francis Olton his Heirs and
A∫signs to Warrant and forever defend the Sale of the said Dwelling House against the Claim or Claims of all Persons
by from or under her or them In Wirness whereof I have hereunto set my hand and Seal this twentieth day of
July in the Year of Our Lord One thousand eight hundred and twelve

Elizabeth her X mark Smith (LS)

Signed Sealed and Delivered in presence of}
Jam Begg – Francois Courmes}
Received in the day of the date of the within Bill of Sale and from the therein named Francis Olton the
Sum of One hundred and ninety eight Pounds Current Money being the full Consideration Money therein mentioned
Sale by him to me paid I say received

Elizabeth her X mark Smith (LS)

Witness

Sam Begg Francois Courmes

Be it remembered that on the day of the date of the within Bill of Sale quiet and Peaceable
Po∫se∫sion livery and Seizen of the within mentioned Premises was had and delivered to the within named Francis
Olton in Our presence whose Names are hereunto Subscribed

Sam Begg Francois Courmes

Grenada

Before the honorable Henry Bridgwater Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of

Judicature of the said Island

Personally appeared Samuel Begg of the said Island Writing Clerk who being duly Sworn maketh
Oath and Saith that he was present and did See Elizabeth Smith the party named in the foregoing Bill of Sale Receipt
and Memorandum duly Execute (by putting her mark) Seal and deliver the same and that the marks of the X Set
opposite to the Seals of the said Bill of Sale and receipt purporting to be “Elizabeth Smith her mark” are of the making
and marking of the said Elizabeth Smith and that the names Sam Begg and Francois Courmes Set and Subscribed
as Witne∫ses to the due execution of the said Bill of Sale receipt and memorandum are of the Hand writing of the said
Francois Courmes and of this Deponent
Sworn this 20th day of August 1812}
Hy Bridgwater}

Sam Begg

And to continue. Enjoy,

Jim

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Part 321o – Olton Genealogy – 1913 Manfred Percival Olton - Burial Register

Morning,
The Civil Registration of Burial for Manfred Percival Olton finally has been found. In the search for the genealogy and ancestry of Manfred Percival Olton the Burial Registration was located in the Parish Registers of the Supreme Court Registry of Barbados. This entry is specific to the Registers of Burial 1909-1914.

The image is downloaded from Item 8 of the microfilm FHL [1667083].

Following up with Part 307o this Document now can be added to the compendium of real sources of the mystery of Manfred Percival Olton. Also see Parts 201o and 270o.

And my transcription –

78

BURIALS Solemnized in Westbury Cemetery in the Parish
of __________ in the Island of Barbados In the Year 1913.

No. – 780
When Buried. – August 15
NAME AND SURNAME. – Manfred Percival Olton
Age. – 64 yrs
Rank, Occupation, or Profession. – Late Registrar British Guiana
Abode. – Rockley Christ Church
Place of Birth. –
Parents’ Names.
Christian. –
Surname. –
Mother’s Maiden Name. –
Minister Officiating. – E. M Johnson

This is a good find, but sorry to say there is no additional ancestral information provided.

Please feel free to submit your ideas and comments.

Enjoy,

Jim

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Part 317o – Olton Genealogy – Some Research Aids

Afternoon,

Happy National Pecan Pie Day… I wonder if you get many pecan pies in Ontario, California, or Austria?

I thought I would pass on a couple of ideas regarding the search and research for Manfred Percival Olton. You can see a Time Line of his life listed under my Analyses tab below the header.

There is a limited preview of this book – Genealogies of Barbados Familes: From Caribbeana The Journal of Barbados Museum and Historical Society – online at Google Books . Some of the key Olton pages are missing from the online Google version.

The book is actually available through Amazon.com for $55.00. There are some used versions available from $44.50 to $217.55. plus shipping. There are also new versions offered for between $52.00 to $200.62 plus shipping. The Amazon deal appears to be the best deal.

There is a copy of the same book at the Toronto Public Library. There are also copies at the Sacramento Public Library and the Hillsborough County Public Library in Tampa.

World Vital Records has Genealogies of Barbados Families cross-referenced online at their website. The book has been indexed and there are 69 hits for the surname Olton. Main issue here, you may need to have a membership subscription.

Check out the following by Donald L. Hinson, Jr. – Barbados Family Research Reference Guide.

Another good source is The Monumental Inscriptions In The Churches And Churchyards Of The Island of Barbados, British West Indies by Vere Langford Oliver dated 1915 at Archive.org. There are seven Olton hits. He, Oliver, is also the author of the Caribbeana Volumes. In The Monumental Inscriptions there is a Samwel Perry Olton.

There are six Collections indexed and available at the new Family Search Beta site that all may relate to births, baptism, marriages, and deaths in Barbados.

Enjoy,

Jim

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Part 307o – Olton Genealogy – The Mystery of Manfred Percival Olton Begins To Unravel

Morning, Afternoon, and Evening,

Consistency of search, with a definite shade of determination certainly is the form in taking up the challenge of genealogy. Once again all thanks to Bernard for locating three key documents of the life of Manfred Percival Olton. His descendants most definitely thank you.

These documents, from two newspapers from British Guiana (now Guyana) – The Daily Argosy and The Daily Chronicle, and one from Barbados – The Barbados Globe from August 1913 provided detailed accounts of the passing of Manfred Percival Olton.

Per The Daily Chronicle M.P. Olton was born in Kingston, Georgetown, British Guiana circa 1849. His father’s and a brother’s names, J.C. Olton and Charles Montague Olton, respectively, are entered to the Obituary. His three wives are mentioned; Miss Chandler, Miss Laundry, and Miss Mundy. Also included in the article, as one of his contemporaries, is the name of great-granduncle E.A.V. Abraham. It is amazing what one can find and the leads that are presented.

The following is an update of the Manfred Percival Olton Time Line. (For previous references see Parts 201o and 270o.)

Again thanks to Bernard here are images of the three clippings.

Enjoy,

Jim

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Part 270o – Olton Genealogy – Manfred Percival Olton Time Line Update

Evening, or Late Afternoon,

Tonight’s supper is pasta with crab and a cream white wine, roasted red pepper sauce. It’s an experiment. You never know.

(Image: Westbury Cemetery, Edith Clack, 2003)

Thanks to Bernard for sending the information and link to Tombstones.bb. This is a good resource and it appears that it is relatively new and in the process of accumulating data. All-things-being-equal the database has provided a Burial Date for Manfred Percival Olton. See Part 201o

The date burial at Westbury Cemetery, in Barbados, provided is 15 August 1913. An age of 64 years, at death, is provided. This calculates that he was born approximately about 1849.

I have updated the Time Manfred Percival Olton Line to reflect this newly found information.

From the Tombstones.bb database there are hits to approximately 13 cemeteries where the name Olton had been recorded.

Now we can cross reference the Civil Death Registrations from Barbados in the hopes that we can find an actual entry for Manfred Percival Olton.

Enjoy,

Jim

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Part 208s – Smith Robertson Genealogy – Indenture Research – 1812 Elizabeth Smith

Afternoon again,

Today’s first transcription work is of a record entered 3 August 1813 between Elizabeth Smith and one Francis Olton, a Blacksmith, (both of the island of Grenada), and dated 20 July 1812.

The record is from the Grenada Register of Records, as from on the microfilm FHL [1563328] in Item 8. There are no direct connections to ggg-grandfather James Smith, but there are two possible coincidences. Those are: 1. The surname Smith; and 2. Betsey, or Betsy is used as a diminutive form of the name Elizabeth. And we see a reference to ggg-grandfather James’ sister Betsey (née Smith) La Grenada in his 1843 Last Will and Testament as posted in Part 61s.

The entry pages are 274 and 275,

And my transcription follows:

274

Grenada

Entered 3d August 1813

Know all Men by these presents that I Francis Olton
Blacksmith of the Town of St Georges and Island of Grenada for and
in consideration of the Sum of a Hundred and fifty eight pounds Eight
Shillings Current Money of the Island of the Island aforesaid to me in Hand,
well and truly paid by Elizabeth Smith of the Said Island at or before the
Sealing and delivery of these presents (the receipt whereof I do Hereby Acknowledge)
have granted bargained Sold enfeoffed and confirmed and by these presents do
grant bargain Sell enfeoff and confirm unto the Said Elizabeth Smith her Heirs
and Aʃsigns A certain Negro Man Slave named Sancho and the reversion and
reversions remainder and remainders rents iʃsues and profits thereof and all the
estate right Title Interest in trust property Claim and demand Whatsoever
either at Law or equity of one the Said Francis Olton of in or to the said Slave
to have and to hold the said Slave Sancho unto the Said Elizabeth Smith her
heirs and Aʃsigns to the only proper use and behoof of the Said Elizabeth Smith

Her

275

Her Heirs and Aʃsigns for ever and I do hereby warrant and defend
the Said Slave against the claims or demands of all persons or persons whats-
oever Whomsoever unto and to the use of the Said Elizabeth Smith her
Heirs and Aʃsigns for ever In Witneʃs whereof I have hereunto Set my
Hand and Seal this Twentieth day of July in the Year of our Lord one
thousand Eight hundred and Twelve.

Francis Olton LS

Sealed and delivered in the presence of Samel Begg & Francois Courmes
Received on the day of the within bill of Sale of and from the
therein named Elizabeth Smith the Sum of one Hundred and fifty Eight pounds
eight Shillings Currency being the full consideration Money therein Mentioned
to be by her paid to me. I say received £158.8s Francis Olton.
Be it remembered that on the day of July one thousand and
eight Hundred and twelve Livery Seizen and poʃseʃsion of the Slaves
within mentioned was made and given by the Said Francis Olton the
Feoffer in the foregoing Feoffment named to the said Elizabeth Smith
recording to the force form and effect of the Same Indenture in the
presence of
Samel Begg & Francois Courmes
Grenada

Before the Honourable George Gun Munro Esquire,

Senior Aʃsistant Judge of his Majestys Supreme Court of

Judicature held in and for the said Island.

Personally appeared before me Francois Courmes of the Town of Saint
George Gentleman and made Oath upon the Holy Evangelists of Almighty
God that he was present and did see Francis OIton the Feoffer within
named Sign Seal execute and deliver the within Deed poll for the
uses and purposes therein mentioned And this Deponent further
Saith that he was also present and did see Francis Olton within
named deliver peaceable and quiet poʃseʃsion in the name of
Livery and Seizen of the within named Slave Sancho according to the
Effect of the said Deed And this Deponent also Saith that the
names “Saml Begg and “Francois Courmés” the witneʃses attesting
the Execution of the within Deed as also the memorandum of Livery
and Seizen Indorsed thereon is the respective hands Writing of the
Said Samuel Begg and this Deponent / Francois Courmes.
Sworn Before me the 3d day of August 1813.

Geo. Gun Munro.

And is this Francis Olton any connection to the family of Manfred Percival Olton. See Part 201o.

Stay tuned for pages 459 and 460.

Enjoy,

Jim

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Part 201o – Olton Genealogy – Manfred Percival Olton Time Line

Evening,

With a couple of Smith Transcripts from Item 6 from the Grenada Register of Records waiting in the wings, I had to give myself a break from the legalese and the blurred script. And thanks to all my readers, Genealogy, A Treasure Hunt continues to hold one of the top five positions in the Top 50 Genealogy Sites as ranked by Top Listed.net.

Today I thought I would completely switch gears and work on a distant collateral connection in my ancestry. I began a Time Line of the life of Manfred Percival Olton who, we believe lived also in both British Guiana and Barbados circa 1840s through the 1920s. Manfred Percival Olton would have been the grandfather of my aunt Cécile (née Smith) Olton’s husband, uncle Hezel “Bage” Albert Maclaine Olton.

And it just so happens that he was a lawyer! He should be here to translate the documents from the Grenada Register of Records.

Thanks to Zoë, Toni, and David for information and data. All-things-being-equal this beginning presentation and Time Line of your great-grandfather Manfred may provide a visual picture that may lead to further knowledge of his life.

This is also an invitation to anyone out there in Internet-Land to please contact me if you may have any data and information that may be in some way related to the life of Manfred Percival Olton.

And now back to my transcription project.

Enjoy,

Jim

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Part 100o – Olton Genealogy – Searching From Oshawa

Afternoon,

I received an email from Oshawa regarding the search for one great-grandfather, Manfred Percival Olton. He would have been the grandfather of Hezel "Bege" Albert Maclaine Olton, husband of my father's sister, aunt Cécile Esme (née Smith). It has been discovered that he was interred at Westbury Cemetery, at Bridgetown, Barbados.

Sources: Photo from Internment.net, and Ⓒ 2003, Edith Clack

Aunt Cécile Esme (née Smith) Olton is included in a Descendant Charts which I created and can be accessed through this Blog. The Smith one, as well as the others can be seen in the left-hand column. There is a quick link - Go to Family Charts below – that you can click on that will take you to the beginning of all the Charts.

My response included that if the date of great-grandfather Manfred Percival Olton's death was available there may be information accessible through the Family History Library. If you have not used the FHL resources as yet it may be worth your while to see if there may be something family-related available. I believe there is a Family History Center, FHC, in Oshawa at 632 Thornton Rd. N. Their posted phone number is 905-728-3151.

There are a number of Barbados-related microfilms available for loan from Salt Lake City that would be sent to your name and for your use at the local FHC. One such series of microfilms, and there are 23 included, is titled Parish Register Transcripts, 1900-1931. All-things-being-equal you may be able to find the documentation of your great-grandfather's burial/death as it was recorded in the Parish of Saint Michael. If your great-grandfather passed away before 1900, these specific series may not be of help. But this specific series does have information regarding births, marriages and burials. Press this link to go to a summary page of the listing.

Another series, Barbados Parochial Registers, Series A, 1660-1887 (Other denominations) may include Catholic records. Other records may be found. At this link there may be something of worth that may assist you in your search.

One thing to know is that the Family History Library will not send books or documents to the Family History Centers. You have to go to Salt Lake City to look at anything that is print. If you know a specific page you can order a photocopy of that page at a minimal cost. Also, be aware that if the item is a CD or a DVD it may not be available for distribution. Microfilms are usually, in most cases, available to borrow for 30 days and microfiche are usually available for small cost per fiche. You usually can extend a microfilm for additional 60+ days past the due date.

The main search engine for the Family History Library has eight portals. One can enter; type any word(s) following the gist of their search.

I stand corrected but based on the information that I have received, no record has been found that great-granduncle Edward Adolphus Victor Abraham, of British Guiana (now Guyana) married Marian T. Mundy. It is purported that they did have a son who was named Henry Valentine Harry Abraham. Henry would have been my 1^st cousin twice removed. I am descended from great-granduncle Edward (aka EAV)'s half-brother, my great-grandfather Frederick Abraham. (It is through family history via way of Australia that mention is made that Edward was half-brother to his other siblings.)

Great-grandfather Frederick's wife, my great-grandmother was Catherine Marie Antoinette (née July) Abraham. I have written a fair bit of great-grandmother Catherine Marie Antoinette in the Blog. You can follow my search and research if you type her name in the search block in the upper left-hand of the Blog.

The Family History Library is a tremendous resource and I have spent many hours perusing through microfilms and fiche of documentation and data.

Enjoy,

Jim

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August 3, 2009 - Difference Between Transcription and Translation?

Good Afternoon,

Just thought you needed some clip art.

Some of you have been asking me what is the difference between transcription and translation... and so here's my short answer...

Elizabeth Shown Mills in her article "Transcribing Source Materials," from OnBoard 2 (January 1996):8, writes that

When applied to historical documentation the word transcript means an exact copy. Those three words are crucial. That definition is unyielding. When a document - be it recorded on parchment, granite, or film - is transcribed, the result must be an exact copy.

And what's the difference between transcription and translation, especially when going from one language to another. I discovered online at WikiAnswers.com a good and short explanation:

For example --

μήλο is a Greek word...

To transcribe it, you would replace the Greek letters with English ones like so: μήλο - milo

To translate it, you would write its meaning like so: μήλο - apple.

There are many different levels when one is working with two different languages, and as I mentioned before, any assistance with transcribing the July family line documents, I welcome any and all. More eyes are definitely better than just my two. For an in depth discussion check Wikipedia, Translation and Transcription

In my recent conversation with Yann...

Thank you for the information. You are correct. The work that I did, took me to Sadirac. Over the past two years, I have gathered more than 200 documents, that include the families of Merle, Dubuc, Poujeau, Collomiere, and of course, July.

I collected these documents from the Archives of Gironde, France, and from the FHL in Salt Lake City. And I can not forget the great help from Annie and Guillaume, and Bernard, David, Toni, Zöe, Thierry and Dieter.

It is now that I am organizing. At times I wonder at my own filing system.

I am very thankful for your help with each transcription. Once the transcription, of one document is almost complete, I can then translate the document, into English.

I was on the phone last night with our cousin, Zöe. She wanted to help, but thought that because her knowledge of French was limited, transcribing would take too long. I explained that, like the English documents of the Smith and Abraham families, transcribing is the part that is the most time consuming part. Translating from French to English is the easy part, once I know the script of the French.

I am frustrated, at times because of the conditions of the documents, and at times at the script, or the handwriting of the scribe. It is very helpful, when there are more sets of eyes working on the transcription.

And then there is the issue of understanding the idiosyncrasies of the reporting, and record keeping of the various countries, where our ancestors lived. A perfect example is my great-grandmother Catherine Marie Antoinette (née July) Abraham. She lived in, at least, five different countries.

Those are my thoughts today.

Enjoy,

Jim

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3 août 2009 - Différence entre la transcription et de traduction?

Bonjour. J'ai pensé que vous aviez besoin d'un clip art.

Certains d'entre vous, ont été de me demander, quelle est la différence entre la transcription et la traduction ... et voici ma réponse courte ...

Elizabeth Shown Mills dans son article intitulé "Transcribing Source Materials," de OnBoard 2 (Janvier 1996): 8, écrit que:

Lorsqu'il est appliqué à des documents historiques, le mot désigne une transcription exacte copie. Ces trois mots sont essentiels. Cette définition est sans faille. Quand un document - qu'il soit enregistré sur le parchemin, le granit, ou filme - est transcrite, le résultat doit être une copie exacte.

Et quelle est la différence entre la transcription et de traduction, notamment lors du passage d'une langue à l'autre. J'ai découvert en ligne à WikiAnswers.com une bonne et courte explication:

Par exemple --

μήλο est un mot grec ...

Afin de transcrire ce que vous remplacer les lettres grecques avec l'anglais, comme suit: μήλο - milo

Pour traduire, il vous écrira son sens de la façon suivante: μήλο - apple.

Il existe de nombreux niveaux différents, quand on travaille avec deux langues différentes, et comme je l'ai mentionné auparavant, aucune aide à la transcription de documents de la famille de Juillet, je me félicite de tout et de tous. Plus les yeux sont mieux que mes deux seulement. Pour une discussion en profondeur de vérifier Wikipedia, de traduction et de transcription.

Dans ma récente conversation avec Yann ...

Merci pour l'information. Tu as raison. Le travail que je faisais, m'a pris à Sadirac.

Au cours des deux dernières années, j'ai rassemblé plus de 200 documents, que les familles des Merle, de Dubuc, de Poujeau, de Collomiere et, bien sûr, de July. J'ai recueilli ces documents des archives de la Gironde, et de la bibliothèque des Mormons. Et je ne peux pas oublier la grande aide de Annie et Guillaume, et Bernard, David, Toni, Zöe, Thierry et Dieter.

C'est maintenant que je suis l'organisation. Parfois je me demande à mon propre système de classement.

Je suis très reconnaissant pour ton aide à la transcription. Une fois la transcription, d'un document est presque terminé, je peux alors traduire le document, en anglais..

J'étais au téléphone hier soir avec notre cousin, Zöe. Elle voulait l'aider, mais pense que, parce que sa connaissance du français n'est pas que de bonnes, la transcription serait trop long. J'ai expliqué que, comme les documents en anglais de les familles de Smith et de Abraham, la transcription est la partie qui est la plus part du temps. Traduction du français vers l'anglais est la partie la plus facile, une fois que je sais que le script de la langue française.

Je suis frustré, à la fois en raison des conditions des documents, et parfois à l'écriture, ou l'écriture du scribe. Il est très utile, quand il ya plus de jeux de regard sur le travail de transcription.

Et puis il ya la question de la compréhension des particularités de l'établissement de rapports et de tenue des dossiers des différents pays, où nos ancêtres vivaient. Un exemple parfait est mon arrière-grand-mère Catherine Marie-Antoinette (née July) Abraham. Elle a vécu dans au moins cinq pays différents.

Ce sont mes pensées aujourd'hui.

Cordialement,

Jim

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June 27, 2009 - Great-Grandmother Marie Descendant Charts

Morning,

As I wrote on Part 10 I would try and figure a way for you to read the information provided on great-grandmother Marie Descendant Chart and I think that I have come up with a manner which may be more "eye-friendly". I have de-constructed the single Chart and have created unique ones for each one which should include each sibling's as well as great-grandmother Marie's immediate family. You can put your magnifying glasses down.

Shortly I will be adjusting the Descendant Charts on the left-hand side of my Blog page. As information changes and new data is presented and found I will try to make sure that there are concurrent changes as applicable.

And yes, I'm obsessed!

Jim

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Bonjour,

Comme je l'ai écrit sur la partie 10, je voudrais essayer de figure une façon pour vous de lire les informations fournies sur mon arrière-grand-mère Marie Descendant Chart. Je pense que je suis venu avec une manière qui mai être plus facile pour les yeux. J'ai construit de la même carte et ont créé uniques pour chacun d'eux, qui devrait inclure chaque frère ou sœur, ainsi que l'arrière-grand-mère Marie de la famille immédiate. Vous pouvez mettre vos loupes bas.

Peu de temps je serai adaptant les tableaux Descendant sur le côté gauche de ma page de blog. Comme l'information et les nouvelles données sont présentées et a trouvé, je vais essayer de faire en sorte qu'il ya des modifications le cas échéant.

Et oui, je suis obsédée!

Jim

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