Part 886sr – Smith Robertson Genealogy – ?-Times Great-Grandfather John Robertson Search and Research

Good Day,

I thought you would like to join me with and on my Robertson genealogy search and research process and progress.

Robertson is my maternal line. I am trying to determine which John Robertson is my 6-times great-grandfather, and who was his father, and his father, and so on, and so on.

From my Robertson Descendant Chart you can follow my line back to my 5-times great-grandparents John and Ann (née Lyle/Lisle) Robertson.

Their 1 December 1758 marriage registration in the Old Parish Register from Innerwick in East Lothian, Scotland, (see Part 884rl).  5-times great-grandfather John Robertson’s “Cautioner” was his father, also named John Robertson. This John Robertson would be my 6-times great-grandfather.

Note – Cautioner, in Scottish law and contracts was one who becomes bound as caution or surety for another, for the performance of any obligation or contract contained in a deed. (The Free Dictionary)

4-Times Great-Grandfather John Robertson was born and baptized In Oldhamstocks. This was determined and cited from the Parish of Innerwick 1761 Baptism Registration for his sister, 4-times great-grandaunt Margaret Robertson. (Source: Church of Scotland. Parish Church of Innerwick, East Lothian, FHL 1067849 Item 3).

4-Times Great-Grandfather John Robertson’s parents 5-times great-grandfather John Robertson and 5-times great-grandmother Ann Lisle were married 1 December 1758 in Innerwick (Source: Church of Scotland. Parish Church of Innerwick, East Lothian, FHL 1067850 Item 2 and ScotlandsPeople.gov.uk 711/00 0030 0349 Innerwick (East Lothian)).

I have discovered that there are three immediate locations referred to and cross-referenced to 5-times and 4-times great-grandfathers John Robertson. The three are Oldhamstocks (A-marker), Innerwick (B-marker), and Butter Law (C-maker, approximate).

I will be spending some time in the short future trying to discover and logically determine, with the appropriate documents and citations. Check out my updates at A Genealogy Hunt - http://agenealogyhunt.com/.

Please feel free to assist, lend a thought and idea, ask a question, and make a comment. You can contact me at A Genealogy Hunt.

Enjoy,

Jim

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Part 885sr – Smith Robertson Genealogy – Robertson Y-DNA – R-U106 – More Ancestors

Good Day,

As I am currently digging deeper into the realm of our Robertson ancestors I thought that I would revisit our current Robertson Y-DNA results. (Thank you GR.)

According to the Family Tree DNA tests our Robertson Y-DNA Haplogroup is R-U106. The analysis shows that our Robertson Y-DNA is positive for the following SNPs: U106+; and negative for the following SNPs: U198- P89- P312- P107- L6- L48- L325- L257- L217- L21- L144- L1-. In this case the SNP does not stand for the Scottish National Party. It is the abbreviation for “Single-nucleotide polymorphism”. (If you are interested there is a good discussion of Single-nucleotide polymorphism” at Wikipedia.)

From the Genetics Home Reference Single nucleotide polymorphisms, frequently called SNPs (pronounced “snips”), are the most common type of genetic variation among people…SNPs occur normally throughout a person’s DNA. They occur once in every 300 nucleotides on average, which means there are roughly 10 million SNPs in the human genome. Most commonly, these variations are found in the DNA between genes…

Previously I reported I reported that our Robertson Y-DNA Haplogroup is R1b1a2a1a1. This means that every Robertson male in our family line should have and belong to the same Haplogroup.

From my recent research I have read at Y-DNA Halpgroup R and its Subclades - 2014 that R1b1a2a1a-L11/PF6539/S127 and most European R1b1a2 belongs to R1b1a2a1a1-M405/S21/U106 or R1b1a2a1a2-P312/PF6547/S116.

From Ancestry.com I have been able to find a number of recently placed family trees that include at least a number of my Robertson ancestors.  The issues are that a few of the family trees do not include complete sources or citations of where they got or received the associated information.  I can use this information as stepping stones to find possible sources.  When comparing the allocated information some of the information is in conflict with each other.  The amazing thing about this presented data is that there is a possibility of locating another four generations of Robertson ancestors.

My goal is to research and search using the presented Robertson family tree information, the Old Scottish Parish Records and other documentation, our Y-DNA, and logical possibilities and conclusions to see if I can make heads or tails my ancestry.

Enjoy,

Jim

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Part 884rl – Smith Robertson Genealogy – 1758 Marriage – 5-Times Great Grandparents John and Ann (née Lisle) Robertson – Innerwick, Scotland

Good Day,

I’ve been working on my start-up search and research and I decided to tackle my Robertson family line.

My search and research will now take me to Scotland and the area around the villages of Innerwick and Oldhamstocks in East Lothian, Scotland.  The current populations of the villages are about 450 and 200 give or take, respectively.

The following is the 1st December 1758 proclamation/marriage registration of 5-times great-grandparents John Robertson and Ann Lisle. The proclamation/marriage is recorded in the Old Parish Registers of Innerwick, East Lothian in Scotland.

(Source: ScotlandsPeople - Robertson, John (O.P.R. Marriages 711/00 0030 0349 Innerwick (East Lothian) and 

Family History Library - Parish registers for Innerwick, 1614-1857, FHL 1067850.)

My transcription –

Decr 1st 1758
John Robertson & Ann Lisle both in this
parish gave up their names to be proclaimed
Cautioner for the man John Robertson
his Father for the woman James
Lisle her Brother.

Definitions -

Proclaimed - The banns of marriage, commonly known simply as the "banns" or "bans" (from a Middle English word meaning "proclamation," rooted in Frankish and from there to Old French), are the public announcement in a Christian parish church of an impending marriage between two specified persons. (Wikipedia - Banns of marriage)

Cautioner - Scotch law, contracts. One who becomes bound as caution or surety for another, for the performance of any obligation or contract contained in a deed. (A Law Dictionary, Adapted to the Constitution and Laws of the United States. By John Bouvier. Published 1856.)

I will be updating my Robertson Descendant Chart shortly.

If you have any idea, comments, thoughts, answers, please feel free to contact me at A Genealogy Hunt.

Enjoy,

Jim

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Part 589r - Smith Robertson Genealogy - Updated Robertson Descendant Chart

Good Day,

Quick and simple. I am updating my Descendant Charts, a part of the scope of my research and search of my genealogy, ancestry, and Family Lines. Here is the latest updated Robertson Descendant Chart.

Please Note: The yellow and blue symbols represent my direct blood line. All information on this Descendant Chart is based on current and available information. It may change as new and more correct data is discovered. New and updated data may be entered in red.

The added letters and numbers to the right and left of a name in the Descendant Chart, for example, C-P49, can be used to locate an image of the document as it appears in A Genealogy Hunt.

In order to see the actual Part referred, the Part number, for example "588h" can be entered into the Search This Blog box in the right-hand column. Once you press the Search Button a box should appear under the Headings and the appropriate links will be provided. Move your cursor to the link and click.

Key -

B = Birth

C = Baptism/Christening

M = Marriage

D = Death or Burial

P490 = Part 490.

All Descendant Charts are usually added to the pull-down menus under each appropriate Heading at the top of the page.

If you have any questions, comments, and ideas, please contact me.

Enjoy,

Jim

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Part 586rh – Smith Robertson Genealogy – Once Again – Another Update, Robertson Descendant Chart

Good Day,

The changes sometime come fast and furious once a door has been opened. In my search and research, this time of my Dudgeon and Hope Family Lines, I have discovered some new information. My genealogy is forever under construction; both of my blood and collateral lines.

Last night I chanced upon another sibling to my gggg-grandmother Christian (née Dudgeon) Robertson. This time a new sister, my gggg-grandaunt Jean Dudgeon, baptized in Stichill and Hume in Roxburghshire and Berwickshire. The geography gets a wee bit complicated. I will be getting into that in a later Posting. This Post is strictly an update of my Robertson Descendant Chart.

But do not hold your breath only at gggg-grandaunt Jean Dudgeon… because… I have discovered a possible logical and corresponding record for ggggg-grandmother Janet (née Hope) Dudgeon’s Baptism Registration. The Old Parochial Record is dated 2 September 1733 in Sneep, Nenthorn Kirk in Berwickshire in Scotland. Her father is given as John Hope, and he would be my gggggg-grandfather. Once again, I will be providing the detailed information in a later Post.

Above is the newly updated Robertson Descendant Chart. There is a minor schematic change; a shift in position to the right, on the Descendant Chart, of Margaret Ann (née Donnison) Robertson and gg-grandmother Margaret (née Megwire/Maguire) Robertson

Please make sure that you note that information and data provided and entered on this Robertson Descendant Chart is always subject to change. I am always updating my Descendant Charts as I receive new, additional, and more succinct data and information.

Please feel free to ask questions, make comment, and email me. But please be assured that I will NOT answer or originate any emails offering business deals or get rich quick schemes.

Enjoy,

Jim

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Part 585r - Smith Robertson Genealogy - Updated Robertson Descendant Chart

Good Day,

And my genealogy journey continues.

I have updated my Robertson Descendant Chart... which of course is always under construction, to include my Dudgeon Family Line.

GGGG-Grandmother Christian (née Dudgeon) Robertson had, that I have to date been able to discover, six siblings: gggg-granduncles and aunts - Thomas, John, Rachel, William, Isobel, and Janet. Due to the fact that the Baptism Registration, as I just posted does not have her birth date, I do not know, at this point in time, where she would fit age-wise with her brother and sisters.

I have also included the seven Dudgeon's parents, my ggggg-grandparents Thomas and Janet (née Hope) Dudgeon.

Here is the updated Robertson Descendant Chart.

And Jay in Wisconsin, here are our connections... and most common ancestors, ggggg-grandfather Thomas and ggggg-grandmother Janet (née Hope) Dudgeon.

Enjoy,

Jim

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Part 417r – Smith Robertson Genealogy – Updated Robertson Descendant Chart

Morning,

The weather is beginning to warm up… but as our “esteem” prime-time weather people have so aptly forecasted, we are due for another “Arctic Cold Front”. And as always they blame Canada. I’m planting a plastic garden this coming year… It will eliminate the neuroses of living in a Hardiness Zone which borders on the line of two; 9 and 10.

Since 1960 there has been a change. Accordingly, the Tampa Bay area has moved from being squarely in the middle of Zone 9 in 1990, to now being well within Zone 10. I think someone is looking at the maps sideways.

And today I begin to attack my list of genealogy things to do. The first one, from the list in My Tangent, is number 5, my Robertson Family Descendant Chart. In my research and report writing I am using the genealogy software, GenoPro.

Here is my most current update of my Robertson Descendant Chart. I will be working on the inclusion of notation of cross-references to my Postings in my Blog. This Chart is and will always be “Under Construction”.

If you have any questions, comments, or thoughts please feel free to contact me, either directly through this Blog or via email.

Enjoy,

Jim

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Part 59r - 1758 Robertson Lisle OPR Entry

As previously posted in Part 55r, I introduced the 1758 Old Parochial Record of the proclamation of marriage entry of ggggg-grandparents John Robertson and Ann Lisle. (On some documents the spelling of her maiden name is Lyle.) I discovered this entry from the microfilm FHL[1067850]; Parish registers for Innerwick, 1614-1857, Parish Church of Innerwick (East Lothian), Church of Scotland.

Transcribed --

Decr 1 1758

John Robertson & Ann Lisle both in this parish gave up their names to be proclaimed

Cautioner for the man John Robertson his father & for the woman James Lisle her Brother.

Doing a bit of research I, on Deborah's impetus, I thought that we should understand, to some extent, what some of the old Scottish writing may mean.

The first word I checked on is "Cautioner". It appears that both gggggg-grandfather John Robertson, "for the man", and ggggg-granduncle James Lisle, "for the woman" are addressed as "Cautioner". What was a "Cautioner"?

From The Free Dictionary by Farlex

CAUTIONER, Scotch law, contracts.

One who becomes bound as caution or surety for another, for the performance of any obligation or contract contained in a deed.

Bovier's Law Dictionary, Revised 6th Ed (1856). By John Bouvier. Published 1856.

From the Webster's 1828 English Dictionary

CAUTIONER, n. In Scots law, the person who is bound for another, to the performance of an obligation.

And from The Webster's 1913 Dictionary

Cau'tion'er
n.1. One who cautions or advises.
2. (Scots Law) A surety or sponsor.

Of course, I had to check up the meaning of "surety"... and I discovered that a "surety" was "one who has become legally liable for the debt, default, or failure in duty of another"; from Merriam-Webster Online.

Can you imagine how many maids and matrons-of-honor and best men would not sign up today to act as cautioners if they knew that they could be responsible for the expense obligations of a pending wedding?

And what about "gave up their names to be proclaimed"? It appears that to give up ones' names to be proclaimed may have been similar to the reading of Banns. The entry states, in my understanding, that their names are being presented with the intention of they wanting to get married. All-things-being-equal, this may not be the date of the marriage, just the proclamation of the intent of getting married. From information from Family Search, specifically for the parishes of Torrie and Crombie - "After 1723 the record is one of persons who gave up their names to be proclaimed. The date of marriage, however, is frequently not added to the entries after 1800."

Page 143 of "Old Church Life in Scotland: Lectures On Kirk-Session And Presbytery Records." by Andrew Edgar, D.D., and published in London in 1886 provides a good explanation of some of the processes involved.

Did they get married? The 1761 baptism registration of gggg-grandaunt Margaret Robertson found in Part 55r reads "John Robertson Wright in Butterlaw & Ann Lyle his spouse had a daughter..." They did get married. The exact date? I can't answer that. It could have been 1 December 1758 or it could have been some date after that.

Here's a map of Haddingtonshire circa 1845. You can find, at the far west, the parishes of Oldhamstocks and Innerwick.



Enjoy,

Jim

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Part 55r - Robertsons, Oldhamstocks and Innerwick - John Robertson Descendant Chart Update

Very early morning from this part of the world,

The discovery of gggg-grandfather John Robertson's baptismal entry was pure happenstance. I had come upon a possible "brickwall". I had traced the family through the birth and baptism of ggg-grandfather Thomas Robertson in 1780; birth - 29 Jun 1780 and baptism - 6 Jul 1780, to the Parish of Oldhamstocks in the County of East Lothian (Haddington) to the east of Edinburgh, Scotland. My search was centered on Oldhamstocks. No luck.

With no further in finds Oldhamstocks, I then decided to venture out to nearby and adjacent towns and villages. My first was to move on up the road, so-to-speak, to the adjoining Parish, at the time, Innerwick. Innerwick, by foot is about 3.8 miles or 6.12 kilometers from Oldhamstocks, about 1 hour and 15 minutes. Based on previous documentation concerning my ggg-grandfather Thomas Robertson I had found and by calculating approximate ages I was able discover other Robertsons who may possibly fit into the family tree.

I was able to get a hold of the microfilm FHL[1067850] Church of Scotland, Parish Church of Innerwick, Parish registers for Innerwick, 1614-1854, from Salt Lake City. I began a review of the images and I discovered a 1791 baptism entry of a Margaret Robertson. But it was the added-sort-of-after-the-fact notation that really caught my eye.



Transcribed, the last entry plus notation --

Augst 2d 1761

John Robertson Wright in Butterlaw & Ann Lyle his spouse had a daughter Baptized named Margaret. Witneʃses James Robertson & James Lyle.

Their Son John was baptized at Oldhamstocks Octr 17, 1759.

And then I also found in the same source the actual 1758 marriage registration for John Robertson and Ann Lisle. (Check the spellings of ggggg-grandmother Ann's maiden name; Lyle and Lisle. Pronounced the same.)

Transcribed, last entry --

Decr 1st 1758

John Robertson & Ann Lisle both in this parish gave up their names to be proclaimed. Cautioner for the man John Robertson his father & for the woman James Lisle her brother.

John Robertson, his father, Cautioner... Great-great-great-great-great-great-grandfather John Robertson.

Oh and by the way check out the use of the word Cautioner at the History of Glenbervie by George Henderson Kinnear.

The following are pictures were taken by Bob of the Oldhamstocks Church which is now in the Parish of Dunglass. This could be the Church where a number of our Robertsons were baptized. Thanks Bob.

I made a data entry error to the John Robertson Descendant Chart. I've fixed it and the updated and new one has been positioned in the left-hand column, titled John Robertson Descendant Chart - 2. Great-grandaunt Agnes Miller Robertson's birth year should read 1841 and not 1805. Nice catch Jenny... Thanks.

Enjoy,

Jim

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Part 54r - 9-9-9 WHD- John Robertson Descendant Chart

Good Day,

Today is 9~9~9... and it's World Hoop Day. How many of us have owned a hula hoop? At this point I probably just might be able to lift it off the ground. Enough said.

And it's almost Pippi Longstocking, without the stockings. The next World Hoop Day is 10-10-10, October 10, 2010. Did you know that Pippi Longstocking's full name was Pippilotta Delicatessa Windowshade Mackrelmint Ephraim's Daughter Longstocking. (I can just imagine the genealogical research.)

Today I spent the time creating a new Descendant Chart beginning with my six-times great-grandfather John Robertson.

That's great-great-great-great-great-great or gggggg-grandfather. And when you examine the Chart, you can see that the name John Robertson, based on the information that I have found, shows up six times. And four of them were grandfathers... Sort of like the name James Smith.



And I keep saying to myself that I will not get overwhelmed... I will not get overwhelmed.

There are now three Descendant Charts, of my eight lines included in my Blog. The three are Smith, Robertson, and July. I will be following up with Scott, Abraham, Merrifield, Goodey and Crossley. I've moved the Smith Descendant Chart to the left-hand column, and there is an update.

I will not allow myself to get overwhelmed. I am enjoying myself.

Enjoy your day.

Jim

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