Part 513s – Smith Robertson Genealogy – My Smith Y-DNA Haplogroup Upgraded – R1b1a2a1

Evening,

A new set of results are in, back from Family Tree DNA. My confirmed and updated Haplogroup is now R1b1a2a1*; Shorthand: R-L150. I have updated my Smith YDNA and mtDNA Ascendancy Chart. This genealogy genetics stuff is amazing, and at times miles above my scope of understanding... but I'm trying.

The test that was conducted was to confirm that I may have, which of course has now resulted, tested positive for the L150 SNP (single nucleotide polymorphism). Per Family Tree DNA the test, a Deepclade Test, tells one, (me), more about one’s, (my), deeper ancestry… that is, the historic migrations of one’s direct paternal ancestors. A positive result, for my Smith is L150+ is a high quality confirmation of my placement on the Y-Chromosome Consortium’s (YCC) tree. You can view the latest 2010 YCC tree at this link.

Locate the R1b1a2a1 on the YCC tree. To date, I have tested negative for the deeper branches under the R1b1a2a1. It means that I do NOT belong to any of the subsequent branches which have been tested and resulted as negative. An asterisk “*” is included at the end of result which, I believe, indicates that there is still more to be discovered… and yet to come. It means that I still have to go deeper.

The results of my YDNA Tests are as follows:

P25+ M343+ M269+ M207+ M173+ L49+ L23+ L150+ U198- U152- U106- SRY2627- P66- P312- P311- P310- P107- M73- M65- M37- M222- M18- M160- M153- M126- L51- L151- L11-

All-things-being-equal these results should be close to or equal to YDNA results for all Smith descendants of ggg-grandfather James Smith. This will include the surnames Landreth-Smith, Smith, Lloyd-Smith, Lloydsmith, Malins-Smith and others unknown.

If you have any questions, comments, or ideas, please do not hesitate to contact me.

Enjoy,

Jim

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Part 498s – Smith Robertson Genealogy – First 23andMe Results Returned – Paternal Haplogroup = R1b1b2a

Morning,

Well the “brain-learnin’” continues. This is an amazing trek trying to pinpoint the origins of my ancestors and my genealogy.

I received the first part of the results from my 23andMe testings. It appears that the results for my X and Y, aka the sex, chromosomes are back.

First of all my Paternal Haplogroup is registering as R1b1b2a. As recorded by 22andMe, R1b1b2a is a subgroup of R1b1b2. R1b1b2 is the most common Haplogroup in Western Europe, where its branches are clustered in various national populations. Per 23andMe, the above map approximates locations of Haplogroup R1b1b2 circa 500 years ago, before the era of intercontinental travel.

The positive factor of this result is that it is the same result and Haplogroup as tested by Family Tree DNA. But this is only the YDNA. I am still awaiting the other results.

This should be the same Haplogroup for all the male Smiths, Landreth-Smiths, Lloydsmiths, Lloyd-Smiths, Malins-Smiths, et al who are descended from ggg-grandfather James Smith of Grenada.

Next the mtDNA and my maternal line Haplogroup, and the Autosomal DNA.

Enjoy,

Jim

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Part 465sr – Smith Robertson Genealogy – How Common Is Common?

Good day,



From time-to-time and as I get new DNA information, I try to contact anyone who has been reported to me by Family Tree DNA as a possible genetic Match. This is just in case that there may be a chance of some connection hiding on some limb on some branch in my ever-growing Family Tree.

The Matches, in the search for my genealogy and ancestry, that I attempt to contact in order to explore the possibility of finding a “Most Common Ancestor” are usually at the upper scales of the provided results. This means that if there is a reported Match for my YDNA results, I will try to get in touch with those who are matched at the 25 Marker or more levels. The other criteria are that the Match should have no more than a Genetic Distance of 3. There is a fair write-up of a definition of Genetic distance available at Wikipedia.

To date the best two Matches have been at the 67 Marker level where our YDNA has a Genetic Distance of 3. This means that we match at least 64 of 67 Markers. It also means that there is about a 97.01% probability that within 16 generations there may be a shared common ancestor. The surname of both these Matches is “Seymour”. We also know that prior to “Seymour” the preceding surname may have been “Semer”. I suppose at anytime our ancestors could have changed their surname to "Smith"... We certainly do it today.

Today we know that the surnames, or derivative surnames, that have originated from our ggg-grandparents James and Mary Ann (née Doret) Smith include: Smith; Lloydsmith; Lloyd-Smith; Malins-Smith; and Landreth-Smith. (And I am not including the varying use of upper- and lower-case letters.) I am recording every possible descendant derivation as may find. One thing, based on the scientific data, all males descended from ggg-grandfather James Smith will all have the same YDNA result – R1b1b2a.

As you can see from the Ancestry DNA chart that I created in Part 464rs, I have been able to collect the YDNA and mtDNA of all my immediate paternal and maternal grandparents. Paternal line – Smith >YDNA = R1b1b2a; Abraham et al >mtDNA = J1b1. Maternal line – Robertson > YDNA = R1b1b1*; Robertson et al > H1a1.

The issue is, I have the most common name in the English language – Jim Smith. Also the surname Robertson is not necessarily uncommon. I also have three of the most common of European DNA Haplogroupings possible – R1b1b2a; R1b1b1*; and H1a1. This of course opens the “flood gates” for me to have to sift through the numbers of records of results that to date have been produced.

Apart from all the research that I am currently now doing, I have been following a possible lead with a Smith line from Logie, Scotland, who were also in Grenada. I have not been able to connect to the Smiths in 1760’s to 1781’s generation but there is “a possible and logical leap”. As the time goes, I am trying to research as to whether the James Smith, who was born 19 April 1767 and subsequently died in Grenada in about 1796/7, could have possibly been my ggg-grandfather James Smith’s father. But the gap does exist and am yet to find the bridge. You can see a Descendant Chart of the Smiths of Logie, Scotland at this link.

So in my search and research, I ask the question “How common is common?”

Regards,

Jim

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My Tangent – Crossed Systems, The Cloud, and Updated July Descendant Charts

Good morning,

As I mentioned time and time again, this Blog is a catch-all of the notes of my work and research in the search of my genealogy and ancestors. I have been also asked as to whether it is a lot of work maintaining A Genealogy Hunt. The simple answer… Yes.

But there is a self-serving benefit to me; I am able to contain the majority of my work in one place, on the Blog. I can also access this Blog from any operating computer system with almost any operating system. I do work with Microsoft Windows, Linux Ubuntu, and Apple systems. It is convenient… and I am constantly looking for ways to cross-over from system-to-system-to-system.

My obsession is the research and I am working to try to ensure that I have my data and information readily available at any given moment. I might be saving the trees and I certainly am saving wear and tear on my back, not having to lug around multiple and cumbersome binders and reams of paper. Thanks be for the Information Revolution. This also includes immediate, well almost immediate access to online databases, subscriptions and memberships. And now there is… The Cloud, aka the Internet. From Wikipedia – “The fundamental concept of cloud computing is that the computing is ‘in the cloud’ i.e. that the processing (and the related data) is not specified, known or the same place(s).” I thought that I was doing that… I think, sort of.

In the meantime, I found that my July Descendant Chart was becoming too, too crowded to fit in one image. I have therefore split the Descendancy into two visuals/images. July Descendant Chart I begins with gggggg-grandfather Pierre Jullie (aka July) and follows through to his great-grandson, my great-great-grandfather Jean François July. July Descendant Chart II starts at gg-grandfather Jean François July and then continues to my father, his great-great-great grandson Frederick Kenneth Lloyd Smith. (I hope I got the greats and the great-greats right.)

Here are the two new Charts. I will also be adding them to the top pull-down menu under the label “Smith”.

Enjoy… I certainly am.

Jim

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Bonjour,

Comme je l'ai mentionné, à maintes reprises, ce blog est un fourre-tout des notes de mon travail et mes recherches dans la recherche de ma généalogie et les ancêtres. J'ai également été posée de savoir si il est beaucoup de travail en maintenant «A Genealogy Hunt». La réponse est simple ... Oui. Mais il ya un avantage égoïste pour moi, je suis en mesure de contenir, la majorité de mon travail en un seul endroit, sur le blog. Je peux aussi accéder à ce blog, de tout système d'exploitation informatique, avec presque n'importe quel système d'exploitation. Je travaille avec Microsoft Windows, Linux Ubuntu, et des systèmes d'Apple. Il est commode ... et je suis constamment à la recherche des moyens de passer de système à système à système.

Mon obsession est la recherche, et je travaille pour essayer de faire en sorte que j'ai mes données et d'informations facilement accessibles, à un moment donné. J'ai peut-être de sauver les arbres, et je suis certainement réduit l'usure sur mon dos. Je ne ne pas avoir à effectuer de nombreux liants autour, et lourd, et des rames de papier. Merci pour être la révolution de l'information. Cela comprend aussi immédiate, ainsi accès quasi immédiat aux bases de données en ligne, les abonnements et les adhésions. Et maintenant, il est ... The Cloud, alias l'Internet. Un article de Wikipédia - «Le concept fondamental de cloud computing, c'est que l'informatique est «dans le nuage» à savoir que le traitement (et les données connexes) n'est pas spécifié, connus ou au même endroit (s)». Je pensais que je faisais que tout le long ... Je pense que, en quelque sorte.

En attendant, j'ai trouvé que mon Graphique Descendant de ma famille de July, devenait trop, trop de monde, pour tenir dans une seule image. J'ai donc diviser la descendance en deux visuels / images. «July Descendant Chart I» commence avec arrière-arrière-arrière-arrière-arrière-arrière-grand-père, Pierre Jullié (aka July), et suit par le biais de son arrière petit-fils, mon arrière- arrière-grand-père, Jean François July. «July Descendant Chart II» commence à mon arrière- arrière- grand-père, Jean François July, et continue ensuite à mon père, son arrière-arrière-arrière- petit-fils, Frederick Kenneth Lloyd Smith. (J'espère que je suis les plus grands, et les arrière- arrières correcte.)

Voici les deux nouvelles cartes. Je serai également en les ajoutant à la partie supérieure du menu déroulant, sous le label «Smith».

Profitez de cette ... je vais certainement.

Jim

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