Part 882sr – Smith Robertson Genealogy – Haplogroup R-CTS7822

Good Day,

Family Tree DNA has confirmed that my Y-DNA Haplogroup is R-CTS7822.  My Y-DNA Haplotree was created in partnership with The Genographic Project.

The following SNPs have shown up as positive: M207+; M173+; P25+; M343+; Z2105+; Z2103+; M269+;  L150+; L23+; and CTS7822+.

And these SNPs are indicated as negative: YSC0000072-; U198-; U152-; U106-; SRY2627-; P66-; P107-; M73-; M65-; M37-; M222-; M18-; M160-; M153-; M126-; L51-; L151-; and F2863-.

In the above Haplotree diagram I have highlighted the positive SNPs in yellow and the negative SNPs in buff.

This is my bloodline descent from three-times great grandfather James Smith of Grenada...(not Granada.) If you are a male descended from my ggg-grandfather James you too should find that your Y-DNA results would be considered the same.

I am still attempting to search and research the origins of James Smith.  As I learn I will try to divulge.

If you have any thoughts, questions, ideas, comments feel free to contact me at A Genealogy Hunt.

Enjoy,

Jim

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Part 880sr – Smith Robertson Genealogy – Updated Y-DNA Results – Haplogroup R-CTS7822

Good Day,

I have been reclassified. My Smith Paternal Line is R-CTS7822.

This means that as a descendant of ggg-grandfather James Smith my Y-DNA has gone from one of the more-common to just a little less-more-common… And this includes all male descendants of this Smith line, including the Lloyd Smiths, the Malin Smiths, the Landreth Smiths, et al, that is, if you can trace your ancestry back to great-great-great James Smith of Grenada.

Most recently I had two more SNPs tested – CTS7822 and F2863 with Family Tree DNA. That’s Single Nucleotide Polymorphism, SNP, pronounced snip; plural snips. SNPs are the most common type of genetic variation among people.

One test, F2863 came back negative and the other, CTS7822 came back positive. My Haplogroup classification at Family Tree DNA and at National Geographic’s The Genographic Project has now been changed to R-CTS7822. This is an adjustment from the previous R-L23 and this has something to do with the mapping of the YSC0000072, even though Family Tree DNA has me tested as negative for this SNP.

And what does this mean? According to Geno 2.0 of The Genographic Project each person is assigned to a specific Haplogroup. The Haplogroup is my branch on the human family tree… People belonging to the same Haplogroup can trace their descent to a common ancestor and even a specific place where that ancestor may have lived.

I am 1 of 678,632 participants of The Genographic Project. Accordingly 0.8% of all participants in the Project are included in my paternal Haplogroup and that includes 5,429 participants. As the Y-DNA is passed from father to son to son this means, once again, that all of ggg-grandfather James Smith’s descendants are of the R-CTS7822 Paternal Line.

As a member of one of the Y-DNA projects, the Bristol Channel DNA Project, the current update includes the following members with the Surnames which have tested positive for the SNP CTS78222.  These include Bennett, Coat, Follis, French, Locke, Peed, Robinson, Seymour, and Smith.

One of the project members has been running an analysis on our STRs (Short Tandem Repeats) and has calculated/estimated that our MRCA (Most Recent Common Ancestor) for our grouping may have lived somewhere between 950 AD and 1200 AD. This time frame may be subject to refinement as more kits (albeit persons) join this specific Project.

There is still one hell of a lot that I need to learn and understand. I’m a bit farther along, but I have only scratched the surface of the information. Images and certificates are published by Family Tree DNA and National Geographic The Genographic Project.

Stay tuned.

And the mosquitoes are biting tonight. Have to get me some bay-rum for the itch.

Enjoy,

Jim

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Part 876sr – Smith Robertson Genealogy – Y-DNA Haplogroup R-L23 – Still Trying To Understand

Good Day,

Yes, I am still trying to understand my Y-DNA results. And it has been sometime since I have even touched my data and information.  My current and tested Haplogroup is R-L23 (R1b1a2a).

Here’s a quick rundown. According to Max Blankfeld of Family Tree DNA, there are 23 pairs of chromosomes: 22 pairs are what we call the autosomal or the recombining DNA. The 23rd pair is the sex gene. Paternity tests use the autosomal. Those are passed from both mother and father and "mixed" into the child, whether male or female. This mixture generates a new set of 22 pairs. This is the part of the DNA that a paternity test company uses.

The 23rd and final pair, the sex gene, is transmitted to the children. A male child receives X-Y, which is the father's Y-DNA and the mother's mtDNA, while a female child receive X-X, which means only the mtDNA from the mother. The Y received by the male son, is passed on to his son.  This son receives his mother's mtDNA, not the grandmother's. So, the Y-DNA goes down the line while the mtDNA does not, and the autosomal continues to be mixed as it progresses down and through the generations...

There are two different kinds of "transmissions" between the autosomal and the sex gene. Since the Y is transmitted from father to son, to grandson, to great-grandson....practically without mutations, this is the DNA that allows us to compare two males to find out if they descend from the same line.

A male child, and that includes me, receives my Y-DNA and that is the data that is revealed from my Y-sex gene, the part of me that I get from my father, Frederick Kenneth Lloyd Smith. This would mean that all the male Smiths, including the Lloyd Smiths, the Malin Smiths, the Landreth Smiths, et al, who are descended from great-great-great-grandfather James Smith all received the same Y-DNA.
The confirmed Haplogroup is R-L23; also written as R1b1a2a.

As you can see from the two ISOGG, 2010 and 2011, our R-L23 is the “Most common European R1b”.

There is a ton of work to go through and the study of genetics continues. Because my Smith Y-DNA is of the “most common European R1b”, and apart from having the most common name in the English language, I am continuing to investigate and delve into the testing. I have had some success and have been able to match 111 markers through Family Tree DNA to three/four other surnames: Ware; High/Robinson; and Seymour/Seymer.

I will carry on digging, and I mean drilling down, as tests continue to be added. Two outstanding tests are currently slated to be completed – CTS7822 and F2863. Theirs is still one hell of a lot for me to learn. Also I need to restart my search and research for the origins of our ggg-grandfather James Smith.

If you have any thoughts, ideas, questions, please feel free to contact me at A Genealogy Hunt.

Enjoy,

Jim

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Part 601b - Brunhammer Genealogy - Y-DNA Haplogroup I2a2* - DYS565=9

Good Day,

Just received a note regarding Andy’s Y-DNA results. As I receive information and data of DNA, I am sometimes at a loss at grasping what all the numbers mean. It sometimes is well and good when I receive the information in layman’s English... something that I can understand.

The Brunhammer Y-DNA testing has been completed with Family Tree DNA for the 111 markers. The DNA Y-Chromosome Segment (DYS): is a naming system which assigns DYS numbers to newly discovered markers. They are the "names" of each marker.

According to Family Tree DNA the Y-chromosome DNA (Y-DNA) haplogroups are the major branches on the human paternal family tree. Each haplogroup has many subbranches. These are subclades. Haplogroups and their subclades (branches) mark human migrations. Learning about haplogroups can tell one about their ancestors’ history and travels. The Brunhammer Haplogroup is 12a2*.

The note that I received is that the Marker Number 67 or DYS565 has some critical information. The information is pertaining to whether Andy’s Brunhammer Marker Number 67, DYS565 is either to 9 or to 11. Andy’s Brunhammer DYS565 equals 9. This means that the Brunhammer Y-DNA can be denoted to be Dinaric. It is NOT Disles. The information that we received:

This group is closely related to the much larger Dinaric group. The easiest way to distinguish the groups is with the last marker of FTDNA's 67: Dinaric has the very distinctive DYS565=9, while Disles has DYS565=11 like the rest of I2a. We say that Dinaric is "young" because all Dinarics have 67 marker values similar to each other. Disles have 67 marker values that show a wider range of variation. What we call Disles might be two or more groups: one very closely related to Dinaric, others more distant.

And of course, I went searching for some meaning, and from Wikipedia I discovered the following regarding the term “Dinaric”.

...According to the Dinaric model, Dinarics were to be found in the mountainous areas of the western Balkans: Croatia, Serbia, Montenegro, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Albania,Slovenia, Austria, part of northwestern Bulgaria, and northwestern Republic of Macedonia). Northern and Eastern Italy was considered mostly a Dinaric area as well as western Greece, Romania, western Ukraine, southeastern German-speaking areas, and parts of southern Poland and southeastern France...

and

...The vertical height of the cranium is high. Eyes are set relatively close and the surrounding tissue defines them as wide open. The iris is most often brown, with a significant percentage of light pigmentation in the Dinaric population. The nose is large, narrow and convex. The face is long and orthognathic, with a prominent chin, and also wide. The form of the forehead is variable, but not rarely it is bulbous. The haircolor is usually dark brown, with black-haired and blond individuals in minority, blondness being the characteristic of the more Central European, morphologically similar Noric race (a race intermediate between Nordic and Dinaric races). The skin is lacking the rosy color characteristic for Northern Europe as well as the relatively brunet pigmentation characteristic for the southernmost Europe and on a geographical plane it is of medium pigmentation and often it is variable...

Definitely an interesting discussion... and all this from one little 9 marker on the Brunhammer DNA code.

The above inserted map is J. Deniker's 1899 Races of Europe map.

And I continue to search... and research.

Enjoy,

Jim

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