Part 706d – Brunhammer Doherty Genealogy – Dohertys, The Next Generation(s) – Thoughts On Naming Conventions

Good Day,

Okay, before we head off for Andy's 12:30 CT, left wrist, surgery, I may have had a genealogy epiphany...

GG-Grandparents Philip and Margaret (née Doherty) Doherty’s first four children appear to have been:

1. Daniel Doherty, born 1863,
2. Gerald Doherty, born 1864,
3. Helen Doherty, born 1866, and
4. Mary Ellen Doherty, born 1868.

GG-Grandmother Margaret's parents were Gerald and Ellen (née McGuiness) Doherty.

According to the 1870 US Census the Docherty (aka Doherty) household included -

1. Philip Docherty, 38 years,
2. Margart Docherty, 30 years,
3. Jerald Docherty, 5 years,
4. Margartt Docherty, - 6/12 months,
5. Daniel Docherty, 60 years, and
6. Hugh Docherty, 28 years

A general rule of thumb in naming children, especially in Ireland, followed a naming convention and pattern.

Irish Naming Conventions

1. The 1st son (Daniel) was usually named after the father's father (Daniel ?). Is this the 60-year old Daniel Docherty listed living with Doherty (aka Docherty) Family in 1870? Could the 60-year Daniel Docherty have been gg-grandfather Philip’s father?

2. The 2nd son (Gerald) was usually named after the mother's father (Gerald). GG-Grandmother Margaret (née Doherty) Doherty’s father’s name was Gerald.

3. The 3rd son (Philip) was usually named after the father (Philip). GG-Grandfather’s name was Philip.

4. The 4th son (John Patrick) was usually named after the father's eldest brother (John ?). There is a coincidental family of Dohertys, according to the 1870 US Census, living down fromgg-grandparents Philip and Margaret Doherty’s house at 731 Madison Street in Wilmington. The John Doherty’s are living at 232 Madison Street. The head of the household, John Doherty is listed at 50 years old. GG-Grandfather Philip Doherty is listed at 48 years old. My question – Is John Doherty at 232 Madison Street gg-grandfather Philip Doherty’s older brother?

5. The 5th son was usually named after the mother's eldest brother. There is no 5th Doherty son on record, at this point in my search.

6. The 1st daughter (Helen) was usually named after the mother's mother (Ellen). Helen is an English variation of the name Ellen.

7. The 2nd daughter (Mary Ellen) was usually named after the father's mother, (Mary ?).

8. The 3rd daughter (Margaret aka Greta) was usually named after the mother (Margaret).

9. The 4th daughter (Frances aka Fannie Annie) was usually named after the mother's eldest sister, (Fannie ?). Could the Fannie Doherty, who passed away in 1895 at 731 Madison Street, have been gg-grandmother Margaret’s elder sister?

10. The 5th daughter (Mary Agnes) was usually named after the father's eldest sister, (Mary ?). This would tie to possibility that the 2nd daughter, great-grandaunt Mary Ellen may have been named for gg-grandfather Philip’s mother Mary. It also leads to the possibility that gg-grandfather Philip may have had an elder sister named Mary named for his mother who may have been named Mary. (Now trying saying that all in one breath…)

I have included all the family ancestors in red that would fit in the naming convention. All-things-being-equal the five blue names are the persons who a specific child may have been named after. Obviously there is a coincidence regarding the 1st son Daniel... and the possibility that he may have been named for the Daniel Docherty (aka Doherty) who was living in Philip and Margaret's home in 1870. This could lead that Daniel Docherty may have been Philip's father... I can't prove this as yet but it definitely makes some sense.

Here the updated Doherty Descendant Chart for cross-reference.

Certainly would appreciate anyone’s thoughts, ideas, comments, and questions. Also it certainly would be exciting if any Doherty descendant may have some notes, maybe a letter or a page from a Family Bible, or a photograph… or any type of cryptic memento that could assist in the search for the Doherty Family Lines.

Enjoy,

Jim

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Part 705d – Brunhammer Doherty Genealogy – Doherty Descendant Chart Updated

Good Day,

Since I posted Part 665d, my last update to the Doherty Descendant Chart, I have definitely added a number of new bits of information and data. As I continue to mention, and write, my work in genealogy is “Always Under Construction”. Even though everything has happened in the past, I am constantly finding and learning new details about ancestors and family members.

I am a very visual person. I have to see everything in pictures, especially in the form and Descendant and Ancestral charts. Above is my latest update to the Doherty Family Line and the Doherty Descendant Chart.

As always the Doherty Descendant Chart is in reference to the ancestral relationships to Andy. I have highlighted his direct Doherty line by indicating his immediate blood line with yellow and blue symbols. All new, updated, and changed data is emphasized in red. The codes that are interspersed throughout the Chart are the Part numbers as referenced to my Postings and discussion on A Genealogy Hunt.

If you have any questions, comments, thoughts, and ideas, please feel to get in touch with me.

Jim

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Part 703d – Brunhammer Doherty Genealogy – Is Greta Actually Margaret? – And, Were There Eleven Dohertys?

Good Day,

In my genealogy hunt for the offspring of gg-grandparents Philip and Margaret (née Doherty) Doherty, all-things-being-equal, I can only go by the "11" children as listed as credited to gg-grandmother Margaret (née Doherty) Doherty in the 1900 US Census.

According to the 1900 US Census taken in Wilmington, it enumerated and noted that great-grandmother Margaret Dougherty (aka Doherty) had had 11 children. At the point of time when the 1900 US Census was taken, on 2nd of June 1900, six of her children were still living and they were listed as: "Gerrold, Margaret, Fannie, Mary, Lizzie, and Katie".

1900 US Federal Census, Delaware, New Castle County,
Wilmington Hundred, Wilmington City, 2 June 1900.

I am almost convinced that great-grandaunt Greta was great-grandaunt Margaret.

And here is my logic... 1. Greta is NOT listed in the 1900 US Census.

2. Margaret is listed in the 1900 US Census. Her birth month and year are listed as December 1869, and her age is given at 30 years.

3. Greta is a diminutive form of Margaret, of which Greta is a nickname.

4. Greta's 2nd November 1950 Death Certificate has her birth date, as informed by her sister Catherine Doherty, as December 23, 1871. There is a possibility that great-grandaunt Catherine may not have provided the exact day and year of great-grandaunt Greta (née Margaret)'s birth date.

5. Margaret's Baptism Registration from St. Peter's Register of Baptisms records her birth data as 22 December 1869.

6. The family moved from St. Peter's to St. Paul's just after St. Paul's was established in 1869. St. Paul's was established on around 20 December 1869.

All-things-being-equal, and of course this could change, I would tend to believe, based on the above logic, that Greta was actually Margaret.

I have been examining available documentation that is uniquely different, available for Greta versus Margaret. And as I note that if Greta is Margaret, which is highly likely, then there should be another child, an additional one to make the total 11.

As things went, it would appear that whoever provided the information to the enumerator when he (or she) knocked at the door in June of 1900, s/he, the Doherty providing the information, may have had first-hand knowledge of the existence of 11 children. There were 7 persons listed as living at the house: gg-grandmother Margaret; her six living children, and grandfather Gerald. If the enumerator came during the day to take the Census information I would presume the majority of the six were more than likely at work and grandfather Gerald may have been at school as he would have been about 6 or 7 years old. There is a great possibility that it was gg-grandmother Margaret who may have provided the enumerator with the information.

All-things-being-equal, I would tend to believe that great-grandaunt Frances may have been the "Fannie Annie" who listed in the St, Peter’s Register of Baptisms. It is too coincidental regarding the dates and the fact that, and I believe, she was known as "Aunt Fannie". Fannie is a definitive diminutive of the name Frances. I just think it may have been a case of the Priest getting his bookkeeping done and in the process he may have put down what he "remembered".

This is sort of the same situation as the Greta versus Margaret and the Doherty versus Dougherty spelling issues. Note also that the enumerator listed both great-grandfather and grandfather as "Gerrod" versus their correct names "Gerald".

When it comes to research I have found three things that are usually all over the place - spellings of names, dates of birth, and years of immigration. Putting everything in place, I usually accept all names as I see them. I enter the first found occurrence of a name on the first document I come across into my genealogy database. As I find subsequent spellings and iterations of the name I add them to my database in the section "Also known as".

And now, if great-grandaunt Greta is great-grandaunt Margaret then I am still searching for the 11th Doherty sibling. Who knows whom I may find?

Stay tuned and enjoy,

Jim

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