Part 813p – Smith Groh Genealogy – 1963 Death - GGG-Grandfather Leo Pariza – Wisconsin Veterans’ Memorial Cemetery

Good Day,

Today in the search and research of the genealogy of the Parisé Family Line I thought that I would just digress a bit and move forward in time to 6 January 1963. Per the Wisconsin Death Index, 1959-1997, 6 January 1963 is the date that CK’s ggg-grandfather Leo Pariza passed away.

The following image, 34 of 1035, of the Wisconsin Death Index, 1959-1997 was downloaded via Ancestry.com.

At the Find A Grave website I was able to find an image of ggg-grandfather Leo’s gravestone. The image provided was added by one, Thomas Henning, in September 2006. The gravestone is resident at the Wisconsin Veterans’ Memorial Cemetery, at King, in Waupaca County.

It is important to note the ggg-grandfather Leo Pariza was known also by various other names during the course of his life. The names, apart from Leo Pariza, included Pierre Léandre Parisé, Leo Parisaya, and Léon Parisée.

Here is my Clooz 3.0 Report D00004.

You will notice that included in the Wisconsin Death Index is the recording of gg-granduncle Harold L. Pariza passing 24 April 1959 at the age of 51 years.

If you have any comments, information, data, thoughts, ideas, and questions please feel free to contact me.

Enjoy,

Jim

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Part 812gp – Smith Groh Genealogy – 1867 Marriage – GGGG-Grandparents Timothy and Catherine (née Grenier) Parisé – A Transcribed Effort

Good Day,

At times it is always better to have a second pair of eyes, and most definitely a sharper mind assisting with the transcription of a document in the search and research of one’s genealogy. In this case, a gracious volunteer through Transcribe, a Yahoo Group, has offered tremendous assistance in transcribing the 1867 Marriage Registration for gggg-grandparents Thimothée (aka Timothy) and Catherine (née Grenier) Parisé.

Check out Part 800gp and Part 806gp for copy of the actual documents from The Drouin Collection and my previous attempts.

Paul’s transcription -

N. 14

Thimothée Parisé
&
Catherine Grenier

Le vingt [ ] Août mil huit
cent soixante sept après la publication de
trois bans de Mariages faite aux prône de notre
Messe Paroissiale entre Timothée Parisé veuf
Majeur de défunte Julienne Chapados de la paroisse
de St. Georges de Port Daniel d'une part & Catherine
Grenier veuve Majeure de défunt Romain Huard
de cette paroisse d'autre part & aucun empêchement
ne d'étant présenté et [au(?) les = aux?] dispenses du trois au
troisième, du quatre ou quatrième de consanguinité
& celle au trois au quartième d'affinité accordias(?) par
Le Réverende Mejor(?) Nicolas Audet Vicaire Général
du la Diocèse nous prêtre curé soussigné avons reçu
leur mutuel consentement de mariage en(?) présence
de Prudent Grenier aînée(?) de l'épouse et Maj???
Grenier frère de l'épouse les quels ainsi que les épouses
ont declaré ne savoir signer.

_____ G. Fournier _____

My translation –

N. 14

Timothy Parisé
&
Catherine Grenier

The twenty [ ] August one thousand eight hundred and sixty seven after the publication of three banns of marriages against advocates of our Parish Mass between Timothy Parisé adult widower of Julienne Chapados late of the parish of St. George, Port Daniel & Catherine Grenier adult widow of the late Romain Huard of this parish & any other impediment to being presented and the [(?) to the =?] three exemptions from the third or fourth of four consanguinity & that in the three to fourth affinity accorded (?) by the Reverend Major (?) Nicolas Audet Vicar General of the Diocese, we the undersigned parish priest have received their mutual consent to marriage (?) presence of Prudent Grenier elder of (?) the wife and Maj??? Grenier brother of the wife and that the spouses have declared they could not sign.

_____ G. Fournier _____

I always am thankful for assistance from friends, strangers, and family.

Enjoy,

Jim

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Part 811dp – Smith Groh Genealogy – 1827 Marriage – GGGGG-Grandparents Michel and Marie Thérèse (née Dugué) Parisé – Bonaventure, Quebec, Canada

Good Day,

Is it providence that I am learning about marriage dispensations of the Roman Catholic Church? Following and researching the genealogy of the Parisé Family Line certainly is causing me to understand, to some degree, how the rules of consanguinity are approached. My logical mind, of course, has to try and figure out how the elements of relationship are considered and who is related to whom to whom… if that makes any sense, of course?

My next billing of search and research is that of the 1827 Marriage Registration of CK’s ggggg-grandparents Michel and Marie Thérèse (née Dugué) Parisé. (Note that 5-times great-grandmother Marie Thérèse’s surname is spelled Dugué as opposed to Duguay.)

GGGGG-Grandfather Michel Parisé, according to the 1827 Marriage Registration is a widower. His previous wife’s name was Veronique Dugué. Within the Registration there is approval for the marriage by ggggg-grandmother Marie Thérèse’s parents 6-times great grandparents Alexandre and Marie (née Grenier) Dugué. Further there is a level of dispensation, I believe, of the third degree provided by the Bishop of Quebec, Monsignor Bernard-Claude Panet. From what I have been able to understand a dispensation of the third degree may be granted if second cousins wished to marry one another.

The following are the images I have downloaded from The Drouin Collection of the 1827 Marriage Registration from the two Registers; the Parish of Notre-Dame and the Parish of Bonaventure.

My transcription is of the Parish of Bonaventure. The second Registration is almost identical.

1791
A
1839

ST BONAVENTURE
CTE BONAVENTURE
QUÉ

PAROISSE
ST. BONAVENTURE

REGISTRES
PHOTOGRAPHIES
A LA
PAROISSE

Le quinze octobre mil huit cent ving sept, vu la publica
tion de trois bans de mariage faite au _____ de nos me∫ses
paroi∫siales entre Michel Parisé veuf majeur de Veronique
Dugué de la mission de Port Daniel d'une part; et Marie Thérèse
Dugué fille mineure d'Alexandre Dugué et Marie Grenier
de la même mission d'autre part. Les parties ont obtenu la dis-
pense des deux au troisième dégré par affinité de nous que
_____ ces pour voirs extrordinaires des Monseigneur Bernard
Claude Panet Evêque de Québec, à lui accordés en vertie d’un
Jardult daté du onze Fevrier l'an dix huit cent vingt six Ne
l'étant trouve aucun autre empêchement ni opposition au
dit mariage et vu le consentement des parens, nous prêtre mis
sionaire sou∫signé avons recu leur mutuel consente-
ment de mariage en présence de Pierre Loiselle et Jean Bte
Choimard qui tous ont declaré ne savoir signe

J.A. Boisverd Prêtre

And my attempt at translation.

1791
TO
1839

ST BONAVENTURE
BONAVENTURE COUNTY
QUEBEC

PARISH
ST. BONAVENTURE

RECORDS
PHOTOGRAPHS
THE
PARISH

On the 15th of October, one thousand eight hundred and twenty seven, saw the publication of three banns of marriage, made the _____ of our parish masses between Michel Parisé adult widower of Veronique Dugué, of the mission of Port Daniel, on the one hand, and Marie Thérèse Dugué, minor daughter, of Alexandre Dugué and Marie Grenier, of the same mission, on the other hand. The parties were granted exemption for the two in the third degree by affinity by us by these extraordinary powers of Monsignor Bernard Claude Panet Bishop of Quebec, granted him a _____ _____, dated February 11, eighteen year hundred twenty six. Any other impediment or opposition was not found to the said marriage, and the parents gave consent, we the Missionary Priest, the undersigned, have received their mutual consent of marriage in the presence of Pierre Loiselle and Jean Baptiste Choimard, who all declared that they did not know how to sign.

J.A. Boisverd Priest

Monsigneur Barnard-Claude Panet, in December 1825, became Archbishop of Quebec. He passed away at the age of 80 years 14 February 1833. Dictionary of Canadian Biography Online.

The top inserted image is of Bernard-Claude Panet.

CREATORS: Sproule, Robert Auchmuty (1799-1845), Bourne, Adolphus (active 1820 - 1874) (Engraver)
Terms of use - Credit: Library and Archives Canada, Acc. No. R9266-1158 Peter Winkworth Collection of Canadiana

Enjoy,

Jim

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Part 810g - Smith Groh Genealogy - 1840 Baptism - GGGG-Grandmother Catherine Grenier

Good Day,

And the search and research continues of the genealogy of the Parisé Family Line continues. This time I veer and my sights are on the birth and baptism records of gggg-grandmother Catherine (née Grenier) Huard, Parisé.

The date of gggg-grandmother Catherine’s Baptism is 20 September 1840. Her birth is provided as 20 July 1840. We are now introduced to her parents, ggggg-grandparents Jacques and Catherine (née Duguay) Grenier. Note that this is another occurrence of the surname Duguay.

Once again I have discovered two Registrations in The Drouin Collection. Here are the images as downloaded via Ancestry.ca.

I have provided one transcription for the two Registers as it appears that, in this case and as best as I can read, both Registrations are similar.

1840

PASPEBIAC
PAROISSE
NOTRE-DAME
CO. BONAVENTURE
P.Q.

REGISTRES
PHOTOGRAPHIES
AU
GREFFE
DE
NEW-CARLISE

B.49
Catherine
Grenier

Le vingt Septembre mil huit
cent quarante, nous pretre soussi
gné avons Baptisé Catherine né le
vingt juillet dernier du legitime
mariage de Jacques Grenier (a) et de Ca
therine Duguay de Paspébiac. Par
raine Felix Thériault Marraine
Theophile Parisé, qui n'ont pas signé.

(a) pêcheur

Alain, Prêtre

My attempted translation -

1840

PASPEBIAC
PARISH
NOTRE-DAME
CO. BONAVENTURE
P.Q.

RECORDS
PHOTOGRAPHS
TO
REGISTRY
OF
NEW CARLISLE

B.49
Catherine
Grenier

On the 20th of September one thousand eight hundred and forty, we the undersigned priest have baptized Catherine, born July 20 last, of the legitimate marriage of Jacques Grenier (a) and Catherine Duguay of Paspébiac. Sponsors: Godfather: Felix Theriault Godmother: Theophile Parise, who have not signed.

(a) fisherman

Alain, Priest

From my previous Post, Part 807gh it appears that gggg-grandmother Catherine received her parents agreement to marry her double 1st cousin Romain Huard and that she was considered a “fille mineure”, a minor daughter. From my approximate calculations gggg-grandmother Catherine may have been 20 years old at her first marriage in 1860.

If you have any questions, thoughts, ideas, and comments I certainly would appreciate hearing from you.

The saga continues.

And if you are interested in something completely different check out my new blog Jim’s Trek at http://jimstrek.blogspot.com/.

Enjoy,

Jim

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Part 809p – Smith Groh Genealogy – 1839 Baptism – GGGG-Grandfather Timothée Parisé – Bonaventure, Quebec, Canada

Good Day,

What is the difference between a sinner and a fisherman? In French, the accent… Pécheur = sinner; Pêcheur = fisherman.

A new lesson learned… When transcribing a document from an alternative language it is key, for the purpose of translation, that even the accents are correctly copied and placed. In genealogy it would make all the difference in the world, especially if two little accents make the difference between a sinner and a fisherman. GGGG-grandfather Timothée’s father, ggggg-grandfather Michel Parisé was most definitely a fisherman. I can only answer for his occupation. I can’t answer for ggggg-grandfather Michel’s character.

From The Drouin Collection I have discovered both copies of gggg-grandfather Timothée’s Baptism Registration. The Baptism is dated 1 September 1839. His birth is recorded as 19 July 1839. His parents were 5-times great-grandparents Michel and Marie Thérese (née Duguay) Parisé.

Here are the images from The Drouin Collection as downloaded from Ancestry.ca.

My attempt at the transcription appears to cover almost word for word from both Registers.

1839

PASPEBIAC
PAROISSE
NOTRE-DAME
CO. BONAVENTURE
P.Q.

REGISTRES
PHOTOGRAPHIES
AU GREFFE
DE
NEW-CARLISLE

B. 20
Timothée
Parisé

Le premier Septembre, mil huit
cent trent neuf, nous pretre Curé
sou∫signé avons supplie les Cérémo
nies du Baptisme à Timothée,
né le dix-neuf juillet dernier,
du légitime marriage de Michel Pa-
rise et de Marie Thérese Duguay
pêcheur de Port Daniel. Parrain
Timothée Parisé, Marraine Ros-
lie Parisé, qui n’ont pû signer.

Alain Prétre.

My attempted translation –

1839

PASPEBIAC
PARISH
NOTRE-DAME
CO. BONAVENTURE
P.Q.

RECORDS
PHOTOGRAPHS
THE REGISTRY
OF
NEW CARLISLE

B. 20
Timothy
Parisé

On the 1st of September, one thousand eight hundred and thirty nine, we the undersigned Priest and Curé, have conducted the Ceremonies of Baptism for Timothy, born July 19 last, of the legitimate marriage of Michel Parisé and Marie Thérese Duguay, fisherman, of Port Daniel . Godfather: Timothy Parisé; Godmother: Roslie Parisé, who could not sign.

Alain Priest.

It would appear that gggg-grandfather Timothée may have been named for his Godfather and Sponsor Timothée Parisé. An obvious question – Who was gggg-grandfather Timothée’s Godfather?

Enjoy,

Jim

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Part 808p – Smith Groh Genealogy – Parisé Descendant Chart Updated

Good Day,

House cleaning almost completed. Just the kitchen floor to mop and polish.

Last night supper was Dim Sum. Not bad… Steamed pork and shrimp, cabbage and corn dumplings, Bánh Bao Thịt Heo Rao Cai, Bánh Bao Tom Thít Tường, Thai cucumber salad, and homemade ginger soya sauce… Definitely a plus when my blood sugar and glucose count, this morning, hit a target of 94. And oh did I say I topped my meal off with a double chocolate double milkshake…

Following up my search and research of my genealogy work I have now taken the most recent information of gggg-grandmother Catherine (née Grenier) Huard Parisé and added the appropriate data to my Parisé Descendant Chart.

Here is the new and updated Parisé Descendant Chart as created in GenoPro.

Note the number of occurrences of the surname, and similar to it, of Duguay.

I like GenoPro as it allows me to free-form design my Descendant Charts. Apart from the art and drawing software that are currently on the market, I am not aware of another genealogy program that can do the same. If there is please let me know.

Enjoy,

Jim

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Part 807gh – Smith Groh Genealogy – 1860 Marriage Registration – GGGG-Grandmother Catherine Grenier and Romain Huard – 1st Marriage – Two Registrations

Good Day,

Is this where it becomes difficult? In my genealogy search and research I have now discovered the 1860 Marriage Registration for gggg-grandmother Catherine Grenier and her first husband Romain Huard. And this time I have found two distinct entries, in two almost identical repeats of the 1860 Marriage Registration in The Drouin Collection. I do believe that the Registrations are in two different Registers. And there a some differences.

The first Register is the Parish Register from “la Comtée de Bonaventure, District de Gaspé Province.” The second Register is of “Port Daniel et… la Province du Bas Canada… a Paspébiac” and the extraction is of 1860 of Notre Dame de la Purificatin. These were pages of Registers filmed during the 1940s by the Institut Génélogique Drouin of Montreal, Quebec, Canada. The collection includes both parochial and civil records.

The first set of images; Image 2 of 17 via Ancestry.ca –

My transcription –

1860
PASPEBIAC
PAROISSE
NOTRE-DAME
CO. BONAVENTURE
P.Q.

REGISTRES
PHOTOGRAPHIES
AU
GREFFE
DE
NEW-CARLISLE

M 2
Romain
Huard
et
Catherine
Grenier

Le dix-sept Janvier mil huit cent soixante
vu la dispense du quatrième dégré de parentes
double et celle du troisième au quatrième
dégré de parents que nous avons accordiés
in vestie d'un _____ du huit Juillet mil
huit cent cinquante deux et la publication
de trois bans faites aux _____ _____
paroissiales entre, Romane Huard, pêcheur
fils majeur, d'Edouard Huard et du Marie
Loisel de Paspébiac d'une part et Cathe
rine Grenier, fille mineure de Jacques
Grenier et de Catherine Duguay de
la Nouvelle, d'autre part, _____ s'étant
découvert _____ autre _____ _____
nous Prêtre soussigné a _____ du
lieu avons _____ leur _____ commitment
de mariage et leur avons
donné la bénédiction nuptiale au ______
ce de Edouard Huard père de l'épouse
et de Pierre Grenier frère de l'Épouse qui
avec les Epouses n'ont pas signé.
Quatre mots en mariage bans.
M. Fortin _____

"l'ágrement
du parents”
M. Fortin

My translation –

1860

PASPEBIAC
PARISH
NOTRE-DAME
CO. BONAVENTURE
P.Q.

REGISTRY
RECORDS
PHOTOGRAPHS
OF
NEW CARLISLE

M 2
Roman
Huard
and
Catherine
Grenier

On the 17th January, one thousand eight hundred and sixty, in the dispensation of the fourth degree double relatives that of the third and fourth degree relatives, which we granted and invested, a _____ of 8 July one thousand eight hundred fifty-two, and the publication of three banns having been made of the promise to our parish masses between Roman Huard, fisherman, adult son, of Eduoard Huard and Marie Loisel, Paspébiac on one hand, and Catherine Grenier, minor daughter of Jacques Grenier and Catherine Duguay, New, on the other hand, having found _____ _____ __________ us another priest undersigned have _____ _____ place _____ commitment their marriage and have given them the nuptial blessing in the presence Eduoard Huard, father of the groom, and Pierre Grenier, brother of the bride, who with the Spouses have not signed.

Four words in the marriage banns.

M. Fortin _____

“With approval
of parents”
M. Fortin

The second set of images; Image 300 of 380 via Ancestry.ca –

My transcription –

1839
A
1864
PASPEBIAC
CTE. BONAVENTURE
PAROISSE
NOTRE-DAME

REGISTRES
PHOTOGRAPHIES
A LA
PAROISSE

M 2
Romain
Huard
et
Catherine
Grenier

Cent cinquante _____ feuillette

Le dix-sept Janvier, mil huit cent soixante,
au la dispense, du quatrième dégré de parent
es double, et celle du troisième au quatrième
dégré de parentes, que nous avons accordeés,
en vestir, d'un _____ du huit Juillet mille
huit cent cinquante deux, et la publication
de trois bans faite, aux promis, de nos masses
paroissiales entre, Romain Huard, pêcheur,
fils majeur, du Edouard Huard et du Ma
rie Loisel, de Paspébiac, d'une part, et Cathe
rine Grenier, fille mineure de Jacques
Grenier, et de Catherine Duguay, de
la Nouvelle, d'autre part, _____ s'étant décou
vert _____ autre _____ _____ nous Prêtre
soussigné a _____ du lieu avons _____
_____ du l'ágrement du parents leur mutuel
commitement de mariage et leur avons donné
la bénédiction nuptiale au presence de Edouard
Huard, père de l'épouse, et de Pierre Grenier,
frère de l'Épouse, qui avec les Epouses n'ont pas
signé.


M. Fortin _____

My attempted transcription –

1839
to
1864
PASPEBIAC
COUNTY BONAVENTURE
PARISH
NOTRE-DAME

RECORDS
PHOTOGRAPHS
THE
PARISH

M 2
Roman
Huard
and
Catherine
Grenier

Hundred and fifty leaf _____

The 17 January, one thousand eight hundred and sixty, in the dispensation of the fourth degree of kin are double that of the third and fourth degree relatives, which we granted, invest, a _____ of 8 July, one thousand eight hundred and fifty two, and the publication of three banns made the promise, our parish masses between Roman Huard, fisherman, adult son, of Edouard Huard and Marie Loisel, Paspébiac on the one hand, and Catherine Grenier minor daughter of Jacques Grenier and Catherine Duguay, New, on the other hand, having found _____ _____ __________ us another priest undersigned _____ __________ of the place have the approval of their parents' mutual commitment wedding and gave them the nuptial blessing in the presence of Edouard Huard, father of the groom, and Pierre Grenier, brother of the bride, of which the Spouses have not signed.

Mr. Fortin _____

There are a number of words and phrases that I cannot transcribe. This of course may or may not cause a translation problem. All-things-being-equal and from my first reading of both documents gggg-grandmother Catherine Grenier was a minor child when she married her first husband Romain Huard on 17 January 1860. The marriage was sanctioned by her parents, five-times great-grandparents Jacques and Catherine (née Duguay) Grenier.

The part that is confusing me, again I do not claim credit as an expert of the edicts of the Roman Catholic Church, is the phrase “au la dispense, du quatrième dégré de parentes double, et celle du troisième au quatrième dégré de parentes”. A literal translation, by Google translate is “in the dispensation of the fourth degree relatives of double that of the third and fourth degree relatives of”.

Based on my research, a Dispensation of the Church for marriage was necessary. The reference is to a dispensation of the 4th Degree. This type of dispensation included for the marriage of 1st Cousins. All-things-being-equal, gggg-grandmother Catherine Grenier and her new and first husband Edouard Huard were 1st cousins.

I am confused by the phrase “de parentes double…” From what I can fathom, at this point, is that this could mean that gggg-grandmother Catherine and Edouard were double cousins. And this may mean that they were actually descended from parents and/or grandparents who themselves had been a set of brothers married to a set of sisters. It does get somewhat confusing.

Oh and the above inserted image of the Church is a current rendition of Notre Dame de la Purification.

If you have any comment, question, idea, and thought please feel free to contact me.

Enjoy,

Jim

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